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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: ParrotHead89]
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06/13/21 05:04 PM
06/13/21 05:04 PM
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ridgestalker
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Grant Woods has it pegged IMO.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: ParrotHead89]
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06/14/21 07:36 AM
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bayouturkey
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Has anything Chamberlain pushed actually proven itself on the ground and not just “paper”?
I’m not putting the guy down, he seems like an intelligent person. But just hate to see everyone jump on the bandwagon before we know all the facts.
Last edited by bayouturkey; 06/14/21 07:37 AM.
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: bayouturkey]
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06/14/21 08:13 AM
06/14/21 08:13 AM
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turkey247
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Has anything Chamberlain pushed actually proven itself on the ground and not just “paper”?
I’m not putting the guy down, he seems like an intelligent person. But just hate to see everyone jump on the bandwagon before we know all the facts. Best I can figure they are pretty much anti-hunters. Some weird form of jealous hunter at a minimum.
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: MorningAir]
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06/14/21 11:41 AM
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Squeaky
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Anybody ever wonder if the decline is a lot worse than they’re letting be known. I know some people still have good seasons, but I’ve talked to several people that basically have zero birds now on properties and clubs that had ample gobblers less than 5 years ago. I’m taking about decent sized acreage too with good habitat. I’m talking about more states than Alabama. I know for a fact there is a decline across Alabama and multiple states. I have personally seen and experienced it. My beef with this whole get on the bandwagon with Dr. Turkey is that none of it addresses the real issues. Limiting the length of season and reducing the bag limit isn't going to fix the problem of a declining turkey population. All you have to do is look at Arkansas as a prime example. Will it save some gobblers absolutely, but on the large scale I simply do not see it as the saving grace of the wild turkey. I personally feel as though the more these states limit and restrict the hunters the worse the problem will become. They simply will take the incentive away from the backbone (private landowners) of producing turkeys, therefore it will get worse in my personal opinion. The issues are numerous and more complex than they are willing to admit in my personal opinion. The only thing the state can control are the season dates and bag limits in addition to managing the properties they control more intensively. Most of us already know how well our state manages the public resources they control.
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: ParrotHead89]
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06/14/21 12:49 PM
06/14/21 12:49 PM
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I’m curious if the chemicals being Sprayed on the pine plantations are having reproductive effects on turkeys causing issues.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: ParrotHead89]
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06/14/21 01:10 PM
06/14/21 01:10 PM
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Squeaky
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It's as simple as this in my opinion. Regardless of how many gobblers you leave to breed the hens, she has to successfully hatch and raise the clutch. Until that happens the turkey population will continue to decline. You can't increase the population by saving gobblers. From all the research I have seen we have a recruitment issue. That stems from a lot of complex known and unknown issues I'm afraid. Turkey_neck the answer to your question is probably known, but will not be publicly made available due the amount of money involved in the logging industry and the same goes for chicken litter!
The true issues will not be addressed and they will continue to take more and more away from the peasants. It's the easy thing to do you know!!
Last edited by Squeaky; 06/14/21 01:13 PM.
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/15/21 05:52 PM
06/15/21 05:52 PM
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CKyleC
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I’m curious if the chemicals being Sprayed on the pine plantations are having reproductive effects on turkeys causing issues. I hunt KY. A lot of locals up there believe what is being sprayed on fields before planting has a detrimental effect on turkeys. I know you specifically pointed out pine plantations, but I would bet there are some similar active ingredients....
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: ParrotHead89]
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06/15/21 07:00 PM
06/15/21 07:00 PM
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257wbymag
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Chemicals today I promise are not like they were 30 years ago. It’s an easy blame but if it was the cause there would be zero turkeys anywhere near ag production areas and that’s simply not the case
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: ParrotHead89]
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06/15/21 09:42 PM
06/15/21 09:42 PM
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257wbymag
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Can’t tell the common public that. Adds on tv and idiots everywhere saying it’s all harmful
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: 257wbymag]
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06/15/21 10:23 PM
06/15/21 10:23 PM
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Can’t tell the common public that. Adds on tv and idiots everywhere saying it’s all harmful Ive sprayed 1000s of gallons of roundup and am still alive. But I wonder if certain chemicals could be causing issues in turkeys. It would be the biggest common denominator across most of the country besides massive corn feeding.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: ParrotHead89]
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06/15/21 10:57 PM
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257wbymag
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Idots with pop up tents and jake decoys are 1000 times worse than any chemical on market today
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Kentucky Changes
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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06/15/21 11:01 PM
06/15/21 11:01 PM
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CKyleC
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Can’t tell the common public that. Adds on tv and idiots everywhere saying it’s all harmful Ive sprayed 1000s of gallons of roundup and am still alive. But I wonder if certain chemicals could be causing issues in turkeys. It would be the biggest common denominator across most of the country besides massive corn feeding. Yep. Definitely 2 constants. Not that they are the culprits, but something is up
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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