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by Big Bore. 05/01/24 11:16 PM
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/11/21 08:40 PM
03/11/21 08:40 PM
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Tons of big bucks killed on green fields. Hunt how you want. Shoot what you want. No need for more regulations. Just need to go to a tag system and catch up with the rest of the states. If you shoot young bucks, you will have fewer old bucks. 1+1=2. Spend time improving your habitat and start a feeding program. You will get what you put into you land. Don’t just show up during hunting season and expect great results. Hunting can be 365 days a year. Trapping, planting, feeding, and timber management can and will help. You can only control your own actions.
Hunting brings out the worst in people.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: ikillbux]
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03/17/21 11:33 PM
03/17/21 11:33 PM
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This comparison of deer management and political liberty is as preposterous as it is ignorant. A man advocating for conservative management of a shared resource can only be right.
And why is it that the argument ALWAYS goes this way??---- Two landowners side by side.
Guy A is virtuous and enlightened, an "if it's brown it's down, no rules" kind of hunter, a loving saint who pets lambs and feeds starving children and is the only kind of hunter who TRULY enjoys the outdoors, he knows what's REALLY important about hunting.
Guy B is an evil trophy hunter, a miserable grump who robs the fun from hunting and stomps on kittens. He has been brainwashed by Stan Potts and needs therapy to return to the grass roots pursuit of tasty venison
(yes, the sarcasm is intended because that's how y'all freakin' act)
Guy A ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS accuses Guy B of being a Democrat, a hunting Nazi, who advocates for more restrictions, and tells him he's being authoritarian and selfish. Because CLEARLY Guy A doesn't in any way, whatsoever, ever at all, affect Guy B.
Those deer cross the boundaries all day and night, every day for the entire lives, and Guy A shoots any of them whenever he wants. But Guy B is the selfish one trying to ruin it for everybody? Give me a break. It truly is just like politics after all, the very ones who are actually a negative affector, accuse the other side doing it. This may be the truest post I've ever read on this forum.
Turkeys be damned.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: teamduckdown]
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03/18/21 08:41 AM
03/18/21 08:41 AM
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This comparison of deer management and political liberty is as preposterous as it is ignorant. A man advocating for conservative management of a shared resource can only be right.
And why is it that the argument ALWAYS goes this way??---- Two landowners side by side.
Guy A is virtuous and enlightened, an "if it's brown it's down, no rules" kind of hunter, a loving saint who pets lambs and feeds starving children and is the only kind of hunter who TRULY enjoys the outdoors, he knows what's REALLY important about hunting.
Guy B is an evil trophy hunter, a miserable grump who robs the fun from hunting and stomps on kittens. He has been brainwashed by Stan Potts and needs therapy to return to the grass roots pursuit of tasty venison
(yes, the sarcasm is intended because that's how y'all freakin' act)
Guy A ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS accuses Guy B of being a Democrat, a hunting Nazi, who advocates for more restrictions, and tells him he's being authoritarian and selfish. Because CLEARLY Guy A doesn't in any way, whatsoever, ever at all, affect Guy B.
Those deer cross the boundaries all day and night, every day for the entire lives, and Guy A shoots any of them whenever he wants. But Guy B is the selfish one trying to ruin it for everybody? Give me a break. It truly is just like politics after all, the very ones who are actually a negative affector, accuse the other side doing it. This may be the truest post I've ever read on this forum. I agree!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
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03/18/21 07:43 PM
03/18/21 07:43 PM
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treemydog
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Another problem that adds a degree of diffuculty with this is each individual's definition of trophy. I've hunted with longbows, flintlocks, and modern rifles. When I'm holding my 308 I'm likely not going to kill a buck smaller than my biggest buck. And even if it's close I'm going to pass. When holding a flintlock or longbow, my own definition of trophy changes. So one man has different definitions of trophy because he at times chooses to challenge himself by using primitive weapons. We simply cannot define trophy for everyone as everyone's standards are different, and may change from day to day. It's hard to manage everyone's hopes, wishes, and dreams.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/18/21 07:54 PM
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Agree Treemydog
BigBore was spot on too - hunt how U want - me I like to mange and improve - that may not b for everybody - it’s your experience and hunt - you don’t hav to answer to anybody here
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 01:50 PM
03/19/21 01:50 PM
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ikillbux
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When someone says "I hunt how I want to, and you hunt how you want to", what do you ACTUALLY mean?
In contextual fidelity, I don't know how you make the jump from "I'd like the State to be more mindful of balancing the herd" (which is my truest wish for our game rules), to ""I hunt how I want to, and you hunt how you want to".
When you hear others talking about managing the deer herd, what is your fear?? I'm assuming that's code for "Let's manage for big bucks" to you?? And so what if it is???.....what is your fear?
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 02:15 PM
03/19/21 02:15 PM
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The shoot anything that's brown, "gotta fill my freezer, I'm not a really man unless I kill a buck basket rack 1.5 yr old shooter", loves having people beside them that are managing. Means more and healthier deer for them to be able to shoot.
The I'll kill what I want guy (Guy A) above, is never impacted by Guy B. In fact, if he can hunt beside Guy B, he reaps all the benefits, without having to spend the time or money. See, in any scenario, the only person that is ever, in any way impacted, is Guy B when Guy A shoots all the young bucks that Guy B is trying to grow to maturity.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 02:50 PM
03/19/21 02:50 PM
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That is why we need a buck limit of 2 with a 4 year old minimum.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 03:27 PM
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treemydog
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The I'll kill what I want guy (Guy A) above, is never impacted by Guy B. In fact, if he can hunt beside Guy B, he reaps all the benefits, without having to spend the time or money. See, in any scenario, the only person that is ever, in any way impacted, is Guy B when Guy A shoots all the young bucks that Guy B is trying to grow to maturity. That's why Guy B needs to understand that if he isn't hunting/managing enough of an acreage base to have a decent buffer for the A Guy's who may be hunting around him, he shouldn't be upset or angry when some of the deer he let's walk winds up in A Guy's cooler. It's all understanding perception ... Guy B's 'he'll be a good one next year' may be Guy A's 'hey that's a really good 8 pointer' BOOM.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 03:34 PM
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Case in point... when my 13 year old killed his really nice 11 pointer this year, I got a PM through the book of face from a neighboring landowner that saw the deer and recognized him from his cameras. He told me that he hunts multiple counties and typically only shoots 140s or better. We'll this 11 is under the 140 mark, but still a heckuva deer. My Neighbor was Guy B... and my son and I were A Guys... and we killed that deer before he got to my neighbor's standards. Does that make us the bad guys?
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 04:44 PM
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That is why we need a buck limit of 2 with a 4 year old minimum.
Your the type that wants to limit everyone to measure up to your trophy standards yet never understanding that so many people that are hunting with limited time and places to hunt. If trophy hunters want to take the enjoyment of deer hunting away from people who just want to hunt deer regardless of the " inches of antler" what does that say about them? Trophy hunting is destroying peoples heritage of deer hunting. Beating a dead horse again I guess, but regulations are there for everyone, not just for people who can afford to buy or lease land to dictate what everybody gets to kill legally.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 04:51 PM
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If your neighbor is complaining about any deer a 13 year old kills he’s not Guy A or Guy B. He is guy who needs a life. Let me clarify. My neighbor wasn't complaining.. if fact, just the opposite. Yet based on some of the responses here, I feel like there are some folks who probably would. And what if I had killed the 11, which I surely would have if he'd walked out on me that morning? A grown man killing a deer that was sub standard to my neighbor's? What then? Thats why something like "a buck limit of 2 with a 4 year old minimum" is, in my personal opinion, rediculous. BTW 3 biologists aged that 11 at 3.5... so he would have been an illegal deer should WmHunter have his way.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Mbrock]
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03/19/21 05:16 PM
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abolt300
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If your neighbor is complaining about any deer a 13 year old kills he’s not Guy A or Guy B. He is guy who needs a life. This^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 10:54 PM
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I am not to worried about my neighbor - if he gets the big one - good for him - none of these animals hv name tags on them - if my neighbor ever poached then I would worry about them
I am not going to waste time worrying and complaining about what somebody else is doing because I can’t control that anyway - I got my own property to manage - I am glad I can still go and enjoy it
If I had to guess - one day we may go to 2 bucks - many years I hav never shot so it will not really matter to me. They will never put an age limit on it - may hav point restrictions but not age
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: treemydog]
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03/20/21 10:56 AM
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WmHunter
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If your neighbor is complaining about any deer a 13 year old kills he’s not Guy A or Guy B. He is guy who needs a life. . BTW 3 biologists aged that 11 at 3.5... so he would have been an illegal deer should WmHunter have his way. Every kid, teenager, new hunter would and should get the first buck of their choice regardless of age. The second buck would have to meet the 4 year old minimum requirement. Congrats to your son.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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