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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/03/21 08:27 PM
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If you want to kill more mature bucks then you gotta see more of them.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/03/21 09:25 PM
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II Have a problem with that! I like to hunt whatever size deer I feel like taking ! Its not up to you!
Old enough to know better but still too young too care!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 12:04 AM
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It doesn’t take a savvy woodsman to smoke the 2-3 year old age class. Nearly every property I’ve hunted the older bucks were no harder to kill than the younger ones, except there just aren’t as many of them. You can’t kill what’s not there and there’s lots of places they simply aren’t there. The properties that consistently produce very nice deer all have one thing in common. It’s simple. They don’t shoot them until they’re big. Nothing spectacular. Average hunters can kill big deer where they exist. Yeah , never leave out the,,,, luck factor. Lot of simple things hunters can do to improve their chances Where I hunt there will never be what i would call , a trophy class deer killed.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 01:14 AM
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In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change. Some of the biggest bucks ever killed have been killed by the most unlikely hunters. Lot will say they didn't even know it existed like Milo Hansen? Now, just having access to the right property that is the most difficult part, imo. Some people just have the right property or habitat and on those any kid can shoot one, almost at their choosing. Not really that impressive to me! Like shooting fish in a barrel. Some properties are just loaded with deer others obsolete until.....boom or swack!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 12:42 PM
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The three hardest things in deer hunting: Educating deer hunters, getting everyone you hunt with on the same page as far as goals and controlling that trigger finger. If you have those three things going for you, you’ll have plenty of mature bucks.
"Never met a deer that I didn't like" - QDMAV8R
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 03:03 PM
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In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change. Truth.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 03:06 PM
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It doesn’t take a savvy woodsman to smoke the 2-3 year old age class. Nearly every property I’ve hunted the older bucks were no harder to kill than the younger ones, except there just aren’t as many of them. You can’t kill what’s not there and there’s lots of places they simply aren’t there. The properties that consistently produce very nice deer all have one thing in common. It’s simple. They don’t shoot them until they’re big. Nothing spectacular. Average hunters can kill big deer where they exist. People have to quit smoking the 2 and 3 year old bucks.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 03:09 PM
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Your hunting is only as good as your neighbors..... with baiting and liberal seasons the opportunity exists to decimate buck populations. "liberal" season has nothing to do with it. Because there is a buck limit of 3. The "problem" is all the great white hunters out there that smoke every 2 and 3 year old buck they see until they limit out. Baiting could be an issue - and it should have never been legalized.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 03:25 PM
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In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change. I agree with you. Very few mounter-racked bucks are killed on a greenfield, from a shooting house or ladder stand, that gets hunted every weekend, by every member on the club and their 463 kids and guests (with their Bad Boy Buggy sitting literally in sight) (and it was daylight when they walked in and out). When someone says "hunting club" to me, I immediately think "food plots and ladder stands" and basically no chance at a mounter buck. No thank you.
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 03:31 PM
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Some of you want further encroachment on our hunting privileges, because you prefer a different way of hunting. You bow hunt, so let's limit gun hunters. You want a huge buck, so let's limit the numbers others kill. Go buy several hundred acres, manage it to the best or your ability, and then have some twiddle fart tell you that you can't kill bucks on it, because it isn't fair to them because they can't hunt that type land. Hmmm, sounds like a bunch of democrats to me.
“If you do not conquer self, you will be conquered by self.” Napoleon Hill The most difficult thing to understand during conversation is silence. Thoreau
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 04:32 PM
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Yeah, you can see all the Biden, Hillary and Sanders voters on here.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 08:25 PM
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I know a couple guys that hunt about 1k acres. In the last 4 years they have killed 13 bucks one of those was aged at 3, two were aged at 4 and the other ten were aged at 5+. Nine of those were killed on green fields. The biggest obstacle to killing mature deer is having mature deer and it ain’t even close.
Last edited by mike35549; 03/04/21 08:29 PM.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/04/21 10:15 PM
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X2 on Mikes last sentence
I hav 2 properties and the property I hit harder - my very best deer stayed nocturnal
The other property I hardly hunted my best deer showing up often now and has been for a month
For me it pressure and wind and u hav to hav the deer first
My first sit paid off for me again this year which is often the case if Nobody else pressured
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/05/21 02:02 PM
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The biggest obstacle to killing mature deer is having mature deer And the only way to have mature 4/5+ bucks is to stop killing all the 1, 2 and 3 year old bucks.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/05/21 02:04 PM
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The biggest obstacle to killing mature deer is having mature deer And the only way to have mature 4/5+ bucks is to stop killing all the 1, 2 and 3 year old bucks. We've got a three buck limit.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/05/21 02:08 PM
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Read more carefully. The post was about the most common ages of bucks that people kill. Most 1, 2 and 3 year old bucks are killed every single year by hunters. Very few bucks are allowed to make it to 4 years old, much less 5 years old.
Last edited by WmHunter; 03/05/21 02:09 PM.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/06/21 07:57 AM
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Some of you want further encroachment on our hunting privileges, because you prefer a different way of hunting. You bow hunt, so let's limit gun hunters. You want a huge buck, so let's limit the numbers others kill. Go buy several hundred acres, manage it to the best or your ability, and then have some twiddle fart tell you that you can't kill bucks on it, because it isn't fair to them because they can't hunt that type land. Hmmm, sounds like a bunch of democrats to me.
Same people will be on here bitching about chuckie telling them what to do!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/06/21 09:04 AM
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A 1.5-2yr old buck is way better to eat then a 5-6yr old and you save your does. Way better sausage also. A nice young spike is prime vittles. Just ask Quailman.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/09/21 02:23 PM
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This comparison of deer management and political liberty is as preposterous as it is ignorant. A man advocating for conservative management of a shared resource can only be right.
And why is it that the argument ALWAYS goes this way??---- Two landowners side by side. Guy A is virtuous and enlightened, an "if it's brown it's down, no rules" kind of hunter, a loving saint who pets lambs and feeds starving children and is the only kind of hunter who TRULY enjoys the outdoors, he knows what's REALLY important about hunting. Guy B is an evil trophy hunter, a miserable grump who robs the fun from hunting and stomps on kittens. He has been brainwashed by Stan Potts and needs therapy to return to the grass roots pursuit of tasty venison (yes, the sarcasm is intended because that's how y'all freakin' act)
Guy A ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS accuses Guy B of being a Democrat, a hunting Nazi, who advocates for more restrictions, and tells him he's being authoritarian and selfish. Because CLEARLY Guy A doesn't in any way, whatsoever, ever at all, affect Guy B. Those deer cross the boundaries all day and night, every day for the entire lives, and Guy A shoots any of them whenever he wants. But Guy B is the selfish one trying to ruin it for everybody? Give me a break. It truly is just like politics after all, the very ones who are actually a negative affector, accuse the other side doing it.
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/09/21 03:42 PM
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It’s all about what you want to get out of it Tree Dweller - it’s your hunting experience
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/10/21 11:48 AM
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In most of Alabama, the population of mature bucks could significantly increase and the number of mature bucks killed by hunters wouldn't significantly increase. In most places, it's not the complete lack of mature bucks that prevent most people from routinely killing them. It's habitat, hunting styles and other factors. If you never see/kill mature bucks now, that would be unlikely to change. I agree with you. Very few mounter-racked bucks are killed on a greenfield, from a shooting house or ladder stand, that gets hunted every weekend, by every member on the club and their 463 kids and guests (with their Bad Boy Buggy sitting literally in sight) (and it was daylight when they walked in and out). When someone says "hunting club" to me, I immediately think "food plots and ladder stands" and basically no chance at a mounter buck. No thank you. I know of a pile of mature bucks killed on food plots over the past 5 years. Most never post pictures. I’ve personally killed 4 (5 year old) bucks in plots in the same period. My son killed 1 and missed 1 (he’s 11). The thing is we ONLY shoot mature bucks on those properties and we don’t shoot does AT ALL. But to say very few is just plain wrong.
Last edited by joshm28; 03/10/21 11:48 AM.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/11/21 08:40 PM
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Tons of big bucks killed on green fields. Hunt how you want. Shoot what you want. No need for more regulations. Just need to go to a tag system and catch up with the rest of the states. If you shoot young bucks, you will have fewer old bucks. 1+1=2. Spend time improving your habitat and start a feeding program. You will get what you put into you land. Don’t just show up during hunting season and expect great results. Hunting can be 365 days a year. Trapping, planting, feeding, and timber management can and will help. You can only control your own actions.
Hunting brings out the worst in people.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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This comparison of deer management and political liberty is as preposterous as it is ignorant. A man advocating for conservative management of a shared resource can only be right.
And why is it that the argument ALWAYS goes this way??---- Two landowners side by side. Guy A is virtuous and enlightened, an "if it's brown it's down, no rules" kind of hunter, a loving saint who pets lambs and feeds starving children and is the only kind of hunter who TRULY enjoys the outdoors, he knows what's REALLY important about hunting. Guy B is an evil trophy hunter, a miserable grump who robs the fun from hunting and stomps on kittens. He has been brainwashed by Stan Potts and needs therapy to return to the grass roots pursuit of tasty venison (yes, the sarcasm is intended because that's how y'all freakin' act)
Guy A ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS accuses Guy B of being a Democrat, a hunting Nazi, who advocates for more restrictions, and tells him he's being authoritarian and selfish. Because CLEARLY Guy A doesn't in any way, whatsoever, ever at all, affect Guy B. Those deer cross the boundaries all day and night, every day for the entire lives, and Guy A shoots any of them whenever he wants. But Guy B is the selfish one trying to ruin it for everybody? Give me a break. It truly is just like politics after all, the very ones who are actually a negative affector, accuse the other side doing it. This may be the truest post I've ever read on this forum.
Turkeys be damned.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/18/21 08:41 AM
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This comparison of deer management and political liberty is as preposterous as it is ignorant. A man advocating for conservative management of a shared resource can only be right.
And why is it that the argument ALWAYS goes this way??---- Two landowners side by side. Guy A is virtuous and enlightened, an "if it's brown it's down, no rules" kind of hunter, a loving saint who pets lambs and feeds starving children and is the only kind of hunter who TRULY enjoys the outdoors, he knows what's REALLY important about hunting. Guy B is an evil trophy hunter, a miserable grump who robs the fun from hunting and stomps on kittens. He has been brainwashed by Stan Potts and needs therapy to return to the grass roots pursuit of tasty venison (yes, the sarcasm is intended because that's how y'all freakin' act)
Guy A ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS accuses Guy B of being a Democrat, a hunting Nazi, who advocates for more restrictions, and tells him he's being authoritarian and selfish. Because CLEARLY Guy A doesn't in any way, whatsoever, ever at all, affect Guy B. Those deer cross the boundaries all day and night, every day for the entire lives, and Guy A shoots any of them whenever he wants. But Guy B is the selfish one trying to ruin it for everybody? Give me a break. It truly is just like politics after all, the very ones who are actually a negative affector, accuse the other side doing it. This may be the truest post I've ever read on this forum. I agree!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/18/21 07:43 PM
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Another problem that adds a degree of diffuculty with this is each individual's definition of trophy. I've hunted with longbows, flintlocks, and modern rifles. When I'm holding my 308 I'm likely not going to kill a buck smaller than my biggest buck. And even if it's close I'm going to pass. When holding a flintlock or longbow, my own definition of trophy changes. So one man has different definitions of trophy because he at times chooses to challenge himself by using primitive weapons. We simply cannot define trophy for everyone as everyone's standards are different, and may change from day to day. It's hard to manage everyone's hopes, wishes, and dreams.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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Agree Treemydog
BigBore was spot on too - hunt how U want - me I like to mange and improve - that may not b for everybody - it’s your experience and hunt - you don’t hav to answer to anybody here
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
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03/19/21 01:50 PM
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When someone says "I hunt how I want to, and you hunt how you want to", what do you ACTUALLY mean?
In contextual fidelity, I don't know how you make the jump from "I'd like the State to be more mindful of balancing the herd" (which is my truest wish for our game rules), to ""I hunt how I want to, and you hunt how you want to". When you hear others talking about managing the deer herd, what is your fear?? I'm assuming that's code for "Let's manage for big bucks" to you?? And so what if it is???.....what is your fear?
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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The shoot anything that's brown, "gotta fill my freezer, I'm not a really man unless I kill a buck basket rack 1.5 yr old shooter", loves having people beside them that are managing. Means more and healthier deer for them to be able to shoot.
The I'll kill what I want guy (Guy A) above, is never impacted by Guy B. In fact, if he can hunt beside Guy B, he reaps all the benefits, without having to spend the time or money. See, in any scenario, the only person that is ever, in any way impacted, is Guy B when Guy A shoots all the young bucks that Guy B is trying to grow to maturity.
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03/19/21 02:50 PM
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That is why we need a buck limit of 2 with a 4 year old minimum.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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[Re: abolt300]
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03/19/21 03:27 PM
03/19/21 03:27 PM
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treemydog
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The I'll kill what I want guy (Guy A) above, is never impacted by Guy B. In fact, if he can hunt beside Guy B, he reaps all the benefits, without having to spend the time or money. See, in any scenario, the only person that is ever, in any way impacted, is Guy B when Guy A shoots all the young bucks that Guy B is trying to grow to maturity. That's why Guy B needs to understand that if he isn't hunting/managing enough of an acreage base to have a decent buffer for the A Guy's who may be hunting around him, he shouldn't be upset or angry when some of the deer he let's walk winds up in A Guy's cooler. It's all understanding perception ... Guy B's 'he'll be a good one next year' may be Guy A's 'hey that's a really good 8 pointer' BOOM.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3375607
03/19/21 03:34 PM
03/19/21 03:34 PM
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treemydog
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8 point
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Case in point... when my 13 year old killed his really nice 11 pointer this year, I got a PM through the book of face from a neighboring landowner that saw the deer and recognized him from his cameras. He told me that he hunts multiple counties and typically only shoots 140s or better. We'll this 11 is under the 140 mark, but still a heckuva deer. My Neighbor was Guy B... and my son and I were A Guys... and we killed that deer before he got to my neighbor's standards. Does that make us the bad guys?
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: WmHunter]
#3375652
03/19/21 04:44 PM
03/19/21 04:44 PM
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Posts: 837 Skyline, AL
hillmp
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That is why we need a buck limit of 2 with a 4 year old minimum.
Your the type that wants to limit everyone to measure up to your trophy standards yet never understanding that so many people that are hunting with limited time and places to hunt. If trophy hunters want to take the enjoyment of deer hunting away from people who just want to hunt deer regardless of the " inches of antler" what does that say about them? Trophy hunting is destroying peoples heritage of deer hunting. Beating a dead horse again I guess, but regulations are there for everyone, not just for people who can afford to buy or lease land to dictate what everybody gets to kill legally.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Mbrock]
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03/19/21 04:51 PM
03/19/21 04:51 PM
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Posts: 1,556 Elmore County
treemydog
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If your neighbor is complaining about any deer a 13 year old kills he’s not Guy A or Guy B. He is guy who needs a life. Let me clarify. My neighbor wasn't complaining.. if fact, just the opposite. Yet based on some of the responses here, I feel like there are some folks who probably would. And what if I had killed the 11, which I surely would have if he'd walked out on me that morning? A grown man killing a deer that was sub standard to my neighbor's? What then? Thats why something like "a buck limit of 2 with a 4 year old minimum" is, in my personal opinion, rediculous. BTW 3 biologists aged that 11 at 3.5... so he would have been an illegal deer should WmHunter have his way.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Mbrock]
#3375663
03/19/21 05:16 PM
03/19/21 05:16 PM
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abolt300
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If your neighbor is complaining about any deer a 13 year old kills he’s not Guy A or Guy B. He is guy who needs a life. This^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3375884
03/19/21 10:54 PM
03/19/21 10:54 PM
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Posts: 10,981 Earth
TDog93
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Booner
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I am not to worried about my neighbor - if he gets the big one - good for him - none of these animals hv name tags on them - if my neighbor ever poached then I would worry about them
I am not going to waste time worrying and complaining about what somebody else is doing because I can’t control that anyway - I got my own property to manage - I am glad I can still go and enjoy it
If I had to guess - one day we may go to 2 bucks - many years I hav never shot so it will not really matter to me. They will never put an age limit on it - may hav point restrictions but not age
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: treemydog]
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03/20/21 10:56 AM
03/20/21 10:56 AM
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Posts: 8,363 Montgomery
WmHunter
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Montgomery
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If your neighbor is complaining about any deer a 13 year old kills he’s not Guy A or Guy B. He is guy who needs a life. . BTW 3 biologists aged that 11 at 3.5... so he would have been an illegal deer should WmHunter have his way. Every kid, teenager, new hunter would and should get the first buck of their choice regardless of age. The second buck would have to meet the 4 year old minimum requirement. Congrats to your son.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: TDog93]
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03/20/21 02:27 PM
03/20/21 02:27 PM
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Fldoghunter
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If I had to guess - one day we may go to 2 bucks - many years I hav never shot so it will not really matter to me. They will never put an age limit on it - may hav point restrictions but not age
They can't pass a law they can't enforce. That's why agencies pass point restrictions and not age restrictions. Unless you know a deer very well, aging a deer is mostly opinion. Heck, even biologists looking at teeth sometimes can't agree on age. Nobody can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that a deer is 4.5 y/o to be able to shoot him, and no GW could prove he's not to write you a ticket.
May the sound of hounds never die!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3376412
03/20/21 08:23 PM
03/20/21 08:23 PM
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Posts: 3,257 Hoover,Al. StateChamps
Big Bore
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First thing I will admit is that I shot a whole lot of little bucks when I was younger. I was excited for every buck I killed. I look at thing differently now. But I absolutely do not think people should see things my way. They just need to hunt the way they want and do whatever makes them happy. I am happy for people when they enjoy hunting. Period. I do believe there is an evolution of a hunter. I enjoy planting and feeding them now much more. I truly like the management of the herd. My only shortcoming is that I don’t shoot enough does. Not that I don’t enjoy shooting them, but I am usually waiting on a big buck that I am hunting.
Hunting brings out the worst in people.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Mbrock]
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03/21/21 10:27 AM
03/21/21 10:27 AM
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Posts: 9,662 blount county alabama
imadeerhntr
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14 point
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If your neighbor is complaining about any deer a 13 year old kills he’s not Guy A or Guy B. He is guy who needs a life. I’m in full agreement with you, but it’s amazing how the true inner person comes out in these situations. They are out at the local stores talking the other down and how they would have passed on it. And then they want to throw in the was it killed legally to try and smear the person that killed it.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3377255
03/22/21 01:09 PM
03/22/21 01:09 PM
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Fldoghunter
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A lot of bickering can be avoided from either side, if people didn't feel the need to post everything they kill on social media. I kill deer that make me happy and don't give a flip about what others think. I'll show them to a few close friends and that's about it. Nothing good comes from showing off what you kill to people you don't even know.
May the sound of hounds never die!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Fldoghunter]
#3377302
03/22/21 03:04 PM
03/22/21 03:04 PM
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CrappieMan
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A lot of bickering can be avoided from either side, if people didn't feel the need to post everything they kill on social media. I kill deer that make me happy and don't give a flip about what others think. I'll show them to a few close friends and that's about it. Nothing good comes from showing off what you kill to people you don't even know. This
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3377395
03/22/21 06:41 PM
03/22/21 06:41 PM
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Posts: 10,981 Earth
TDog93
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I Lov looking at other guys deer pics on here - don’t know the guys but am happy for them - pumps me up
However U guys want to hunt is your decision- I hope u all kill a 140 plus
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Fldoghunter]
#3377520
03/22/21 09:33 PM
03/22/21 09:33 PM
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Posts: 18,048 North AL
AU338MAG
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A lot of bickering can be avoided from either side, if people didn't feel the need to post everything they kill on social media. I kill deer that make me happy and don't give a flip about what others think. I'll show them to a few close friends and that's about it. Nothing good comes from showing off what you kill to people you don't even know. Very well said. 👍 I hunt for my enjoyment, not to show off what I kill.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: AU338MAG]
#3377583
03/22/21 11:17 PM
03/22/21 11:17 PM
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Posts: 355 Florida
Lead Poison
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Florida
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A lot of bickering can be avoided from either side, if people didn't feel the need to post everything they kill on social media. I kill deer that make me happy and don't give a flip about what others think. I'll show them to a few close friends and that's about it. Nothing good comes from showing off what you kill to people you don't even know. Very well said. 👍 I hunt for my enjoyment, not to show off what I kill. I agree.
Save America: Support Christian Family Values Liberalism is a cancer John 3:16
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: treemydog]
#3377698
03/23/21 08:27 AM
03/23/21 08:27 AM
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Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
ikillbux
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Case in point... when my 13 year old killed his really nice 11 pointer this year, I got a PM through the book of face from a neighboring landowner that saw the deer and recognized him from his cameras. He told me that he hunts multiple counties and typically only shoots 140s or better. We'll this 11 is under the 140 mark, but still a heckuva deer. My Neighbor was Guy B... and my son and I were A Guys... and we killed that deer before he got to my neighbor's standards. Does that make us the bad guys? (coming from a primarily big buck hunter) Lord no! The dude who's hunting 140's in Alabama (heck, even 130's, or frankly even high 120's) is a crazy mofo. You can hunt your whole life, even be moderately successful and have an enjoyable hunting career, and never see a 140 in Alabama. An average "good buck" in Alabama is probably a 14'-15" eight point that'll dress 125-130 pounds, I'm going to shoot that deer most of the time. And this is really why I take such exception to the guys who get all pissy about the currrent DCNR staff trying to get a better hold on Alabama's deer, trying to increase the standards for Alabama's deer hunting. We ain't trying to become some dumb@#$@# trophy destination, nobody believes this is Saskatchewan. But damn, what's the point of shooting a yearling spike, or worse, a 12' wide 8pt that isn't much bigger than your yard dog??? Gee whiz fellas, I hunt public frickin' land and I see enough does every year to fill every cooler in my neighborhood if I wanted to. It's like you're missing some sort of competitive spirit when you'll shoot a pencil neck buck with basket rack. Like you're missing some common sense understanding of reasonable management. But again, I understand this is just coming from my worldview of how I was raised about deer hunting....deer hunting to me literally only exists for the thrill of the chase, it's ALL about the rush of a big rack (again, not a dadgum 140" buck, just a "good one" for Alabama). I cannot comprehend the emasculated view of hunting where you don't get a thrill from the sight of a big buck, therefore I cannot comprehend the dude who shoots the tiny basket buck ("for meat") and lessens his opportunities of seeing that buck later when he's bigger. Also, I cannot comprehend the man who only hunts truly giant bucks (I need more gratification, more often than that! LOL)
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3378551
03/24/21 03:58 PM
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Tree Dweller
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I'm going to copy Jim Shockey and Tom Miranda. Spend tens of thousands of dollars to travel to the other side of the globe to shoot a Deer that weighs 17 lbs w/ 2.5" antlers. That'll teach me !
Last edited by Tree Dweller; 03/26/21 03:30 AM.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Mbrock]
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03/27/21 06:21 PM
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Posts: 394 Auburn, AL
Antlerfluke
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It doesn’t take a savvy woodsman to smoke the 2-3 year old age class. Nearly every property I’ve hunted the older bucks were no harder to kill than the younger ones, except there just aren’t as many of them. You can’t kill what’s not there and there’s lots of places they simply aren’t there. The properties that consistently produce very nice deer all have one thing in common. It’s simple. They don’t shoot them until they’re big. Nothing spectacular. Average hunters can kill big deer where they exist. That's not what we experience on our property. We see 2 & 3 yr olds all the time (with our eyes while hunting). A two yr old buck is as dumb as can be and anyone can kill a 2 yr old... if they're not already shot up. We let three yr olds walk. However, and here's my point... we don't see near as many 4+ yr olds except on camera. We have them! They're there!! But, those 4+ yr olds are harder to kill and we have a good many as we see them on cams at night. But when the rut happens, they do show themselves a lot more!
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: UA Hunter]
#3380621
03/27/21 11:57 PM
03/27/21 11:57 PM
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Posts: 3,257 Hoover,Al. StateChamps
Big Bore
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Yes. I would agree. From my own personal experience, mature bucks are harder to kill. They tend to be very anti-social. Once the velvet sheds, they even move offf of their bachelor groups. They tend to find places where people are not. Once again, this is not the rule but more times than not,it tends to be the standard. However,I hunted a real big buck on our land in Bibb county several years ago. One of our members shot him at 10am in one of our green fields. He scored 168”. I would have never thought he would have been coming to that field at that time of day.
Hunting brings out the worst in people.
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Re: Unpopular Opinion
[Re: Big Bore]
#3380639
03/28/21 01:13 AM
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Posts: 15,859 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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The rut changes all of this of course! No offence ,,,,,, but I keep hearing that and have heard it for years but I never see no difference . I ran cameras for 7 years and saw no difference . As for as day light movement and Dec , when people say deer don't move.
Last edited by Frankie; 03/28/21 01:18 AM.
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