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Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: Gobble4me757] #3361433
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Originally Posted by Gobble4me757
They are hearing us. I had one guy email me back agreeing that nest predators are the main cause and I have another guy from that list wanting to call me and discuss my points. The more concern in emails and letters the better. Let’s fight this.


I emailed and got a “thank you for your comments” response. I’ve asked others to write or call also. One called and said he was told there were at least 4 no votes and that he’s gotten more correspondence over this issue than any since he’s been on the board and that he sees more turkeys now where he deer hunts than ever. He said what was needed now more than letters is for people to show up at the meeting and take up the entire 1 hour set aside for public comment. I know everyone can’t go to the meeting, so more letters and calls can’t hurt.

I nominate PCP and gobbler to be our in person representatives. Can I get a second?

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Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: turkey_killer] #3361542
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Originally Posted by turkey_killer
Originally Posted by Gobble4me757
They are hearing us. I had one guy email me back agreeing that nest predators are the main cause and I have another guy from that list wanting to call me and discuss my points. The more concern in emails and letters the better. Let’s fight this.


I emailed and got a “thank you for your comments” response. I’ve asked others to write or call also. One called and said he was told there were at least 4 no votes and that he’s gotten more correspondence over this issue than any since he’s been on the board and that he sees more turkeys now where he deer hunts than ever. He said what was needed now more than letters is for people to show up at the meeting and take up the entire 1 hour set aside for public comment. I know everyone can’t go to the meeting, so more letters and calls can’t hurt.

I nominate PCP and gobbler to be our in person representatives. Can I get a second?


Second and add AToler to that list.....

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: SwampHunter] #3361575
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I'd like to go and just bring popcorn. =D

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: SwampHunter] #3361900
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My email to all CAB members who's email I had access to:

Members of the CAB, 
As an avid Turkey hunter and outdoorsman, I am reaching out to you today asking you to vote down the proposed changes to the Turkey seasons and bag limits to be imposed as early as the Spring of 2022.  It is clear that most of the constituents that you all represent reject these proposed changes to the seasons as they are steeped in politicism(not tangible scientific data) and a link between legal spring gobbler harvest and declining turkey populations cannot be found. I am no biologist, but common sense tells us to allow some of the points below to play into the discussion.

-common sense tells us that fluctuating populations of any species are ever present year to year
- last spring was simply an anomaly based on the presence of more hunters in the field as a result of Covid-19 and widespread absences from work. Comparing last year' successes (or failures) harvests to this years harvest would surely show a skewed data set
-shortened seasons and bag limits have been imposed in other states with no realized result
-The DNR also proposed some nonsensical solutions to the CWD issue "kill all deer in an X mile radius of the first confirmed infection" do we really want the same agency making decisions about managing turkey populations with no data to stand on?
-There are vast amounts of knowledge we do NOT have about turkey biology and behavior.  Very little of it can be explained (That came straight from Chamberlain himself).  

 I implore you to uphold a heritage of turkey hunting in this state that has permeated for the last 70 years and DO NOT impose other changes to the seasons or bag limits at this time.

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: Nightwatchman] #3361918
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman

-The DNR also proposed some nonsensical solutions to the CWD issue "kill all deer in an X mile radius of the first confirmed infection"



Nightwatchmen, that statement is entirely false. There is no such solution in the response plan. I’m not looking for a fight here, but I don’t like seeing misinformation posted for everyone to read when the response plan has no such suggestion.
Where did that info come from?
Carry on.

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Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: SwampHunter] #3361926
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Where do you go to find information on how to contact each of the board members? I would like to send each one an e-mail opposing any change in dates or limits

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: Stoney] #3361930
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Originally Posted by Stoney
Where do you go to find information on how to contact each of the board members? I would like to send each one an e-mail opposing any change in dates or limits


Not all have email addresses listed, but this link shows those that do

https://www.outdooralabama.com/site...0addresses%20rev%2010-9-2020%20w-map.pdf

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: SwampHunter] #3361942
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I sent an e-mail to all on board that I found address for. I encourage all who feel no changes are needed please do the same. Your voice counts!

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: Mbrock] #3361952
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by Nightwatchman

-The DNR also proposed some nonsensical solutions to the CWD issue "kill all deer in an X mile radius of the first confirmed infection"



Nightwatchmen, that statement is entirely false. There is no such solution in the response plan. I’m not looking for a fight here, but I don’t like seeing misinformation posted for everyone to read when the response plan has no such suggestion.
Where did that info come from?
Carry on.


Member of the State Widlife committee put out a video some time ago. Unless I misinterpreted the aim there, the idea was to harvest several hundred deer in some radius of the first infection, right?

I wont derail the turkey thread and we can PM. but the goal WAS to kill several deer in the area and test them all correct?

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: SwampHunter] #3361957
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Yes the point was to increase surveillance in an infected area to determine prevalence of the disease. Eradication is not part of the plan. It’s ok. I have no desire to derail this tread either. That just caught my attention.

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Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: Mbrock] #3361962
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Yes the point was to increase surveillance in an infected area to determine prevalence of the disease. Eradication is not part of the plan. It’s ok. I have no desire to derail this tread either. That just caught my attention.



I will concede that I could have phrased that a little better. I trended toward hyperbole there a little and should not have. However, I don't think I would have agreed with killing them. We know they're gonna die after we harvest them.

I'd like to extend personal and professional respect here. I have seen your post, and know you to be a stand up guy. I will respond to my email and make it clear that eradication should not have been interpreted from that particular talking point.

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That’s the only reason I made the distinction. I just hate for true meaning to get lost. Relying on public voluntary submissions to increase sampling numbers is what is most desired. Hopefully when the day comes that is what will happen. I shouldn’t have turned this into a CWD discussion. Carry on.

Turkeys 👍🏼😁

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: BD] #3362069
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Originally Posted by BD
Originally Posted by turkey_killer
Originally Posted by Gobble4me757
They are hearing us. I had one guy email me back agreeing that nest predators are the main cause and I have another guy from that list wanting to call me and discuss my points. The more concern in emails and letters the better. Let’s fight this.


I emailed and got a “thank you for your comments” response. I’ve asked others to write or call also. One called and said he was told there were at least 4 no votes and that he’s gotten more correspondence over this issue than any since he’s been on the board and that he sees more turkeys now where he deer hunts than ever. He said what was needed now more than letters is for people to show up at the meeting and take up the entire 1 hour set aside for public comment. I know everyone can’t go to the meeting, so more letters and calls can’t hurt.

I nominate PCP and gobbler to be our in person representatives. Can I get a second?


Second and add AToler to that list.....


I doubt I could convey my thoughts near as well as them. I'm hoping to make it to the meeting, but I've got an extremely pregnant wife at home.

In case I don't make it, I sent the following email:



Gentleman,

As an avid proponent of the wild turkey, I would like to share some thoughts regarding restructuring our turkey season/limits:

1. Turkey populations ebb and flow. I've seen no data supporting a statewide decline in numbers. Some portions of the state are experiencing declines in population, while others are booming. I have leases and hunt public land in barbour, jefferson, st. clair, shelby, and lamar counties. From my history with these lands, I believe the population to be stable or improving on each tract. It is possible that the populations of the 80s and 90s, were artificially high after their resurgence.

2. There is no research showing hunters affecting overall turkey populations. Dr. Chamberlain explained to me, that his ideas are assumptions and hypotheses at this point. (I have screenshots of this, if you would like to see them)

3. Dropping the limit from 5 to 3, is ineffective. Legally harvested birds 4-5, account for a minor portion of harvest. Reducing the limit to 3, saves approximately 1 gobbler per 15,000 acres of undeveloped land.

4. There is a perceived decline in population, across a multitude of states. These states have a variety of season lengths, start dates, and bag limits. If hunters impact the overall population, why are states with low limits, late start dates, and short seasons on the list?

5. In Alabama, we have been the gold standard for turkey management and turkey culture. There is no denying our system's success. Why then, do we assume our system is suddenly broken? Turkey numbers exploded in this state, with more hunters in the woods, a longer season, and 5 to 6 bird limits. Now, license sales are at an all time low. How can we support a theory, when it contradicts the last 60 years of results?

6. Reducing our opportunities to hunt, affects more than the face value. Hunters and landowners impact turkey populations through habitat management and trapping. Reducing season length or limit, removes incentives for hunters to put as much effort and money into these things. Landowners will see a demonetization of leasing land for turkeys, thus removing incentives for them to provide quality habitat. If this happens on only a small scale, it will far outweigh the handful of gobblers saved per year.

To conclude, I urge you to vote down these proposed changes. Let's see some hard evidence, before we throw 60 years worth of success and culture out the window.

Thank you for your time, and I hope to see you all on March 6th,

Re: April only - 3 bird proposal [Re: SwampHunter] #3362478
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I now have sent a letter or e-mailed all on the board apposing the changes in dates and number of harvest. I truly hope each one of you will contact the board before March 6. Below gives you names, addresses and some e-mail addresses.


https://www.outdooralabama.com/site...0addresses%20rev%2010-9-2020%20w-map.pdf

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