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The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
#3359765
02/23/21 05:52 PM
02/23/21 05:52 PM
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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For years now we have all heard that there are three major components to growing quality deer……..Age, Nutrition, and Genetics.
I believe there is a fourth leg that needs to be added to that triangle that we should look to manage that doesn’t get talked about very much but likely plays a significant role……..It’s “Stress”…………and stress can come in different forms at different times of the year. If we want to manage for the highest quality deer herd on a property then we need to become managers of stress and reduce it wherever possible…..
We dont rent pigs
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
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#3359768
02/23/21 05:57 PM
02/23/21 05:57 PM
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Montgomery
WmHunter
14 point
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That "Fourth Leg" has been discussed and analyzed a million times in a million ways.
It is called PRESSURE. And people have been talking about how to minimize pressure forever - low impact hunting, pulse hunting, minimum human sound, minimum human scent, not hunting crappy warm days, don't blast every doe, don't shoot does on food plots, don't wear a place out before the rut etc. IT IS OLD NEWS. And yes, everyone should seek to keep pressure to a minimum if they are serious mature trophy hunters.
Last edited by WmHunter; 02/23/21 06:00 PM.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
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#3359777
02/23/21 06:11 PM
02/23/21 06:11 PM
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North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Stress is more than hunting pressure. Overpopulation creates stress. Weather extremes create stress. Competition for food, mates, etc creates stress.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
[Re: AU338MAG]
#3359791
02/23/21 06:29 PM
02/23/21 06:29 PM
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Stress is more than hunting pressure. Overpopulation creates stress. Weather extremes create stress. Competition for food, mates, etc creates stress. Absolutely.........also add stress from coyotes to the list.....especially during critical time periods like fawning and post rut. I believe on some properties they're applying a good deal of stress on the deer herd......
We dont rent pigs
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
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#3359961
02/23/21 08:56 PM
02/23/21 08:56 PM
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N. Bama
257wbymag
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That part of Wisconsin is Probly blessed with super amounts of row crop food and protection buffers. That really helps that kind of situation
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
[Re: 257wbymag]
#3360003
02/23/21 09:33 PM
02/23/21 09:33 PM
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USA
Remington270
Freak of Nature
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That part of Wisconsin is Probly blessed with super amounts of row crop food and protection buffers. That really helps that kind of situation Could be. The point I’m trying to make is we say we want bigger deer, but we also want better hunting. That means seeing deer regularly and several of them. Huge chunks of the state are nowhere near that. I don’t know a single person that says “man, I hunted 3 days in a row and only saw one deer but I know there’s a big deer out there, I’m pumped!” The best places to hunt have the most deer, period, end of story. I know a guy that got permission to hunt several hundred acres for meat, meaning he was willing to kill anything without spots. He didn’t see a deer until his 7th hunt, and killed a spotless fawn, or whatever you call the smallest possible deer 
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
[Re: eclipse829]
#3360025
02/23/21 09:57 PM
02/23/21 09:57 PM
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North Alabama
Hammertime7v2
8 point
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8 point
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North Alabama
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Every time a 6.5 creed is purchased. the hair stands up on the back of a deers neck and a stomach ulcer begins to form.. Now that's good right there!
Professional Smart Alec
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
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#3360031
02/23/21 10:04 PM
02/23/21 10:04 PM
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Earth
TDog93
Booner
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Booner
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Before the every day doe season I could go see 30-40 on a hunt on some of the better places I hav hunted but we did not hav huge deer then. One of the spots was shoot only if you mount and we did not shoot much but we did not hav 170 inch deer running around
Wisconsin - Iowa - KS etc a hole other stratosphere of deer hunting and that has nothing to do w trigger pull
Heck Arky did not hav ton of deer - but where I was they had better deer than central Alabama and that did not hav anything to do with trigger pull
As far as pressure goes - When I control property - I minimize the pressure and hunt wind - results hav always been good
Lov first time sits on spots not hunted yet or low pressure spot in the rut
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
[Re: Remington270]
#3360038
02/23/21 10:08 PM
02/23/21 10:08 PM
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Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
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Fancy
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Right behind you
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In these type discussions, no one ever mentions shooting fewer deer. I guess it's not exciting to "not" pull the trigger. The best deer hunting in the nation, is in places with massive deer populations.
If anyone listens to the MeatEater podcast, a frequent guest on there talks about his area of Wisconsin having 60 deer per square mile. They have phenomenal hunting in terms of quantity, and quality. For reference, that's probably 4 times as many deer as huge swaths of the state of Alabama. There’s plenty of places in AL that support 60 deer per sq mile and more. There’s VERY few places in AL that have 4x less than that. Perception and reality are often very different. You can’t compare anything in Wisconsin to anything here. You’ve got some of the most fertile soil on earth up there. There’s a reason parts of Wisconsin lead B&C and P&Y entries. The soil and vegetation can support a lot of deer. They also have a 9 day gun season. If we had a 9 day fun season we’d have more deer than the place could support in a hurry.
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
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02/23/21 10:10 PM
02/23/21 10:10 PM
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TDog93
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Thanks Mbrock- exactly
X2
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self
We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
[Re: Mbrock]
#3360045
02/23/21 10:18 PM
02/23/21 10:18 PM
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Posts: 21,782
USA
Remington270
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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In these type discussions, no one ever mentions shooting fewer deer. I guess it's not exciting to "not" pull the trigger. The best deer hunting in the nation, is in places with massive deer populations.
If anyone listens to the MeatEater podcast, a frequent guest on there talks about his area of Wisconsin having 60 deer per square mile. They have phenomenal hunting in terms of quantity, and quality. For reference, that's probably 4 times as many deer as huge swaths of the state of Alabama. There’s plenty of places in AL that support 60 deer per sq mile and more. There’s VERY few places in AL that have 4x less than that. Perception and reality are often very different. You can’t compare anything in Wisconsin to anything here. You’ve got some of the most fertile soil on earth up there. There’s a reason parts of Wisconsin lead B&C and P&Y entries. The soil and vegetation can support a lot of deer. They also have a 9 day gun season. If we had a 9 day fun season we’d have more deer than the place could support in a hurry. I'll show you a few places Rotten corn piles because no deer ate it, etc. I've personally got good places to hunt now, but hunting places with low deer population is just sad.
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Re: The Fourth Leg of the Triangle
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#3360104
02/24/21 01:33 AM
02/24/21 01:33 AM
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Banana Republic
jb20
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Banana Republic
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I'm a tad different than most when it comes to hunting...I love eating and I love killing big deer...I won't shoot a doe around here cuz we don't have many deer but ill take a 2yr old if my freezer is low, i lay off hunting different tracts until my freezer is good then save the best areas for last...if it's a good day for hunting I'll hunt my best areas and let deer go bigger than what I may have taken a week earlier...ill also let go a young buck that I think has potential to be real big
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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