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Frost seeding #3345461
02/07/21 08:44 AM
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Who's done it? And what kind of seeds are typically recommended/ not recommend for this method? I've got some clover that we ended up not using during the fall that I've stored and was thinking of frost seeding it into the plots.

I've got some triticale left over too, but read somewhere that they recommend hard seeds only. If Triticale is a good option for this, could a man store it and it be good until the fall to plant?


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Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3345476
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Oh yea. Keep it dry and out of direct sun and seeds will be just fine til next fall


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Re: Frost seeding [Re: 257wbymag] #3345483
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
Oh yea. Keep it dry and out of direct sun and seeds will be just fine til next fall



Good deal. That go for all 3 that I bought from you? We planted a lot, but didn't get to a few spots that I wanted to plant in time and wasn't able to use it all the seed. Was hoping it wasn't wasted.


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Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3345504
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Yes all 3 of those seeds are just fine to keep. The main seed that doesn’t keep to next year is a soybean. High oil content in beans kill the germ


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Re: Frost seeding [Re: 257wbymag] #3345619
02/07/21 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
Oh yea. Keep it dry and out of direct sun and seeds will be just fine til next fall

^^^This^^^ If you can keep the weevils out of it.


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Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3345735
02/07/21 01:07 PM
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So, what’s the method for frost seeding clover into existing deer plots here in central AL? Go ahead and spread now, or wait till the risk of extreme freezing has passed? If you scattered, say in late February, could you have decent clover sprouts come March 20?

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I’m considering doing the same in the next few weeks


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Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3348417
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I don't understand the question? We broadcast clover in February and March all the time in Missouri. That is our preferred method. I prefer doing it in the snow or just before.

Just put out 100# of white and 50# of red last weekend. Temps are forecasted to not get above freezing the rest of the week. Never even gave it any thought because it has been done this way for decades.

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I did the same thing here in Indiana last week. Wanted to get it down before the snow.

Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3348585
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Depending on the variety you may be better off waiting until fall to plant. Frost seeding on exposed soil is an excellent way to get good germination but if it's a cool season variety you may not get enough root development for it to survive a hot, dry summer. If it's a warm season type then you are golden. It probably won't germinate until the soil warms up a bit anyway. Just my $0.02 worth.

Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3348826
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What I do is mix medium red clover (whatever variety works best in your area) with ladino clover. Since I'm broadcasting on food plots with various coverage from earlier plantings I seed extra heavy. This year was 10-12# of ladino mixed with 6-8# of red per acre. If the seedbed is prepared or seed is drilled it only takes about 4# an acre but that is not what we are talking about.

The plan is to leave these plots in clover for the next 3-5 years. If you are looking for 1 yr or less then red is the way to go. So, the red is used because it is an early establisher (for this year) and the ladino will probably be over seeded at a rate of 5-8# per acre each February (as needed). This summer each will be hit with clethodim pretty hard and mowed 2-3 times. By the second year various mixes if cheaper 2,4D and gly might be used on a wick or over top if some broadleaf crap gets too bad (Perilla mint has been the problem).

Because I just bought it...

50# medium red was $62.50
50# of ladino was #134
I have used Durana in the past but I guess it has become some specialty clover now because they wanted $7 a pound for it. Last time I bought Durana it was $240 for 50#.

Re: Frost seeding [Re: Semo] #3355140
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Originally Posted by Semo
I don't understand the question? We broadcast clover in February and March all the time in Missouri. That is our preferred method. I prefer doing it in the snow or just before.

Just put out 100# of white and 50# of red last weekend. Temps are forecasted to not get above freezing the rest of the week. Never even gave it any thought because it has been done this way for decades.



The question seemed pretty strait forward, I thought.

Just because it’s been done for decades doesn’t mean that I’m familiar with it or have any idea of how popular it is across the country. I’ve only really seen or heard of it over the last year or two and am pretty new to the idea. I’m glad to know that it’s a popular, well thought of method, though. I won’t worry as much when I sling some seed soon.


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Originally Posted by Semo
What I do is mix medium red clover (whatever variety works best in your area) with ladino clover. Since I'm broadcasting on food plots with various coverage from earlier plantings I seed extra heavy. This year was 10-12# of ladino mixed with 6-8# of red per acre. If the seedbed is prepared or seed is drilled it only takes about 4# an acre but that is not what we are talking about.

The plan is to leave these plots in clover for the next 3-5 years. If you are looking for 1 yr or less then red is the way to go. So, the red is used because it is an early establisher (for this year) and the ladino will probably be over seeded at a rate of 5-8# per acre each February (as needed). This summer each will be hit with clethodim pretty hard and mowed 2-3 times. By the second year various mixes if cheaper 2,4D and gly might be used on a wick or over top if some broadleaf crap gets too bad (Perilla mint has been the problem).

Because I just bought it...

50# medium red was $62.50
50# of ladino was #134
I have used Durana in the past but I guess it has become some specialty clover now because they wanted $7 a pound for it. Last time I bought Durana it was $240 for 50#.





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Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3355294
02/18/21 07:50 AM
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I wouldn't frost seed clover in Alabama, I would wait until fall. Most frost seeding is done up north not in the deep south where we have hot summers. Most of the time the perennial clovers dont have time to develop their root system before the hot summer gets here. Fall allows the clover 6-7 months to develop their root system before summer, as opposed to 2-3 months.

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Originally Posted by jbatey1
Originally Posted by Semo
I don't understand the question? We broadcast clover in February and March all the time in Missouri. That is our preferred method. I prefer doing it in the snow or just before.

Just put out 100# of white and 50# of red last weekend. Temps are forecasted to not get above freezing the rest of the week. Never even gave it any thought because it has been done this way for decades.



The question seemed pretty strait forward, I thought.

Just because it’s been done for decades doesn’t mean that I’m familiar with it or have any idea of how popular it is across the country. I’ve only really seen or heard of it over the last year or two and am pretty new to the idea. I’m glad to know that it’s a popular, well thought of method, though. I won’t worry as much when I sling some seed soon.


I wasn't trying to be an ass. Sorry if it came across like that.

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Originally Posted by blumsden
I wouldn't frost seed clover in Alabama, I would wait until fall. Most frost seeding is done up north not in the deep south where we have hot summers. Most of the time the perennial clovers dont have time to develop their root system before the hot summer gets here. Fall allows the clover 6-7 months to develop their root system before summer, as opposed to 2-3 months.

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Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3356422
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We're about to throw out a couple bags of crimson......I'll let y'all know how it does......The crimson I planted in the fall is starting to hit its boom stage


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Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3356428
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I put out clover every Feb. at our club for the turkey. It comes up real fast and requires no tiling, just rain. Our club is in Al. It comes up good and comes up fast.

Re: Frost seeding [Re: jbatey1] #3358600
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My post was regarding perennial clover, not annual clover.


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