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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: BhamFred]
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01/27/21 03:20 PM
01/27/21 03:20 PM
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Posts: 6,719 Huntsville, Al
LUMPY
14 point
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14 point
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My goal is to kill mature bucks. I killed a 3 year old 5 point this year because I don’t see him having potential. I’ve let many 3 year old deer walk over the years that had more potential. I also let a 1 year old 4 point (3 on left, 1 on right) walk because I don’t believe you can judge potential at this young of an age.
I also don’t think you can change genetics through “culling” but you can let the deer with more potential have the resource to develop into their potential by shooting deer with less potential. the problem with your thinking is that you do not know what that buck may or may not of had happen to him. I know of a high fence buck that was one of four fawns born by one doe, same night. He weighed 2 lbs at birth, very low. Two of his womb siblings died within hours. At 1 year he had uneven 4" spikes. At four he had 17 points and scored in 180s. Unless you have intimate knowledge of a bucks life you cannot make an informed decision on culling. I don’t disagree. But below is the 5 point I killed this year as a 3 year old. Could he jump and turn into something good in 1-2 years, maybe. Is it likely, not in my opinion.
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: MTeague]
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01/27/21 04:22 PM
01/27/21 04:22 PM
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Posts: 2,462 Mississippi
riflenut
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10 point
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Mississippi
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What's the verdict on this one? I'd kill him
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." George Mason
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: mike35549]
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01/27/21 06:29 PM
01/27/21 06:29 PM
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Posts: 9,375 Jasper, AL
joshm28
14 point
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14 point
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If I think they are 5+ years old. This is the correct answer. Even “cull” bucks can produce some interesting antlers at 4+
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: BhamFred]
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01/27/21 07:29 PM
01/27/21 07:29 PM
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mike35549
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one just has to accept hat when you let nice 3-4 year old bucks walk you will never see a lot of them again, depending on size of property, pressure, neighbors, whatever. Just a fact of hunting big old deer. In my experience most of them never show up again. I think the death rate from natural causes for 3-4 year old bucks is pretty high.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: Davyalabama]
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01/27/21 08:08 PM
01/27/21 08:08 PM
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Posts: 4,168 Florence, Al
AlabamaSwamper
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10 point
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The term cull has become badly misused
I’d much rather someone just say they killed the damn thing
I’ll say congrats and move on
Every time I hear the word cull from someone I know they are making excuses for what they killed
And honestly I don’t care. Shoot what you want for all I care. It’s just a deer.
BTR Scorer in NW Alabama
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: Davyalabama]
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01/27/21 08:17 PM
01/27/21 08:17 PM
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Posts: 11,152 Central Alabama
Cuz-Pat
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Hate is such a strong word but occasionally I find myself using it. I hate the term "cull" when it is paired with the word buck. Too many people use the term "cull" way too loosely. Most of the time it is used just to justify shooting a buck for the sake of shooting it. If you want to shoot a small or a younger buck that has not had the potential to grow into something better, by all means go ahead and shoot it. Just don't go around telling everybody that you shot it because it was a "cull". I have a buck on one of my hunting spots this year that I have seen 3 times. He has 5 points on his left side and a beam on his right side with a small point coming off of it up near the top. He is not a fully mature deer. He looks to be a 2.5 year old. I have considered shooting him and still may do so before the end of the season. Why? Because he is a "cull"? No, the reason I have considered shooting him is because I haven't put a deer in the freezer this year yet. I killed one doe with my ML and gave it to someone who needed it worse than I did. I need to put at least one deer in my freezer for the wife and I. I'd rather shoot this buck at this spot than to shoot a mature doe that may possibly drop a couple of fawns on the ground late summer, thereby helping to increase the numbers there. Shooting him doesn't have anything to do with him being a "cull". If I kill him it will be simply because I wanted to and I needed the meat. In my opinion, there are very few bucks roaming around out there that genuinely fit the term "cull". Just the way I see it...
Cuz-Pat
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: Davyalabama]
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01/27/21 08:55 PM
01/27/21 08:55 PM
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jbatey1
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Lucky Bastage
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Scottsboro, Al
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Cull is usually either 1) A term used by someone to justify killing something that they want people to think that they normally wouldn’t of killed or 2) Something that someone does when they are too lazy to actually spend time and money to improve their property and deer habitat.
You aren’t going to make any change on a free range property in Alabama by “culling” a buck. All you’ll do is ensure that you have 1 less deer on the property.
IMO you’ll do more help to the deer herd and future prospects by ensuring your deer have proper minerals, food sources and cover than you will by “culling” that buck.
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: Davyalabama]
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01/27/21 09:43 PM
01/27/21 09:43 PM
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mike35549
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I use to word cull so do most of the people I hunt with or around. However we don’t use the word to describe a deer that needs killing to improve the genetics. More like an old deer low scoring buck that needs to be killed to make room for something else and to end its days of eating food a more promising buck or a doe could be eating.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: do you kill cull bucks
[Re: 2Dogs]
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01/27/21 10:39 PM
01/27/21 10:39 PM
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crenshawco
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Cull is usually an excuse to just shoot something and one man's cull is another man's trophy. X2. 2nd most popular excuse to my neighbor would've shot him if I didn't
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