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Re: 130” deer question [Re: Mbrock] #3330091
01/21/21 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by gman
I had hoped the one i shot the other day would break 130, but looking at the deer in the other thread, dont think mine is gonna make it. #wouldabeenagoodunnextyear 🤷🏻‍♂️

Gman it’s still a very nice deer. Don’t get too caught up on score. He looks high 120s to me but could hit 130”.

We’re/they’re (imma guest at the farm) trying to grow big’uns. We know 1 factor involved is age, and we’re trying. I still feel kinda bad about shootin that gorgeous 8, but i think he’s only 3.


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Re: 130” deer question [Re: abolt300] #3330107
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Originally Posted by abolt300
If people would pass the genetically superior 1 and 2 year olds instead of killing them on sight, I’d guess about 20% at age 5. Deer are like people, some are just bigger than others. With the currentlong season and the, shoot any good rack buck you see regardless of age, typical mentality, I’d guess 5% actually make it to 130” here in AL. Most of the ones that have the genes to make or break past 130” are killed as 1.5 or 2.5 yr olds. Naturally more in better managed, good soil areas, with large landowners, but way less in small parcel dominated, poor soil, unmanaged areas.

I’ll also say this, I’m talking about legitimate properly measured 130” deer. Not the “my buddy killed a 130” buck”. I’ve put the tape on a bunch of bucks that the shooters thought were 130” and they were really 115-120” deer. A 130” buck is a really good deer.

I’d be interested to see what Brock, Troy, Jeremy and others think on this topic.


I’m with you on this one. Type of land,soil,and area goes along ways to

Re: 130” deer question [Re: lefthorn] #3330109
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
Originally Posted by CNC
I’m gonna go with around 20% as well.....…Most deer with the potential to be really big are shot young even on the good properties. Very few people are passing the 130-150 inch 4 year old.....With a couple more years of growth though you may be talking 170+ at age 6-7......


I have to disagree with you just a little bit. From what I’ve read, a 4 year old expresses 90% of antler growth. Now I’m sure that isn’t a hard and fast rule, but I do believe by 5 for sure, that is about all the deer is going to put on antler wise. May add some character, but don’t think they are gonna add many more inches


That 90% is an average. I’ve seen deer have their best racks at 3-4. Most have their best racks at 5-7. Some have their best racks at 8. I’ve seen more than a handful of deer go from high 140s to 180+ between 6 to 7 years old. You never know what an individual deer will do until he’s had the chance to do it.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330116
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First deer I killed this year was only a 3 - probably would hav been a good deer next year and whopper at 5 - but I had a bow and had never shot a deer with bow before and when 8 w kicker jumped out - I was shooting him - no regrets - I think the other kills I been on were 4 year olds this year

And if u see a deer u want to mount r scull mount - I would shoot it - any deer in the 120s in AL would be hard for me to pass unless I already shot a mounter that year


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Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330127
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Me and my brother were talking about this the other day. We hunt in Texas a lot at a guys place and he’s got an intense management program on his low fence. Kills some giants but he is on a MLD program and can only shoot a certain number of deer off his property. He pulls and holds big deer on his place. Out there he shoots the bucks that need shooting and keeps the ones that have potential and let’s them breed. Problem with most of alabama most people let the bullchit deer walk to shoot the nice one when all your doing is killing the deer that has good genetics and letting the cull bucks breed. That being said a lot of people hunt all year long in Alabama for the one chance at a buck all year when in Texas you can see what you will see in alabama in one weekend out there. Then you throw in the outlaws and night hunters and your number of big bucks goes down.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330131
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Out of the 200 plus I mount a year, maybe 15 will be 130 or over. Most are 100 to 110.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330135
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My criteria would totally change score wise in Tx r Kansas etc

Yea JD - Bama has way to many outlaws and night hunters - and my place has few quality deer but lot of trash - i want to get more trash out next year - my son just got out trash deer and my Camden lease I took out one trash 6


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Re: 130” deer question [Re: Mbrock] #3330139
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by lefthorn
Originally Posted by CNC
I’m gonna go with around 20% as well.....…Most deer with the potential to be really big are shot young even on the good properties. Very few people are passing the 130-150 inch 4 year old.....With a couple more years of growth though you may be talking 170+ at age 6-7......


I have to disagree with you just a little bit. From what I’ve read, a 4 year old expresses 90% of antler growth. Now I’m sure that isn’t a hard and fast rule, but I do believe by 5 for sure, that is about all the deer is going to put on antler wise. May add some character, but don’t think they are gonna add many more inches


That 90% is an average. I’ve seen deer have their best racks at 3-4. Most have their best racks at 5-7. Some have their best racks at 8. I’ve seen more than a handful of deer go from high 140s to 180+ between 6 to 7 years old. You never know what an individual deer will do until he’s had the chance to do it.


I definitely can see this. I have killed a 4 yo and my son has as well. Neither deer broke 120 but are both very nice deer. My daughter killed her first buck this year and I believe it was a 3 yo. Would have been a giant when fully mature but he is going on the wall

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330144
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Very few will make 130 regardless of age. We have good genetics in my area and we are particular about what we shoot and a fair amount will make it to 5. That being said not many will ever make 130. I've killed 4 or 5 that made 130, the biggest being 148. Biggest we've ever taken on the lease was 158. I have current pics of at least 5 bucks that's I believe are 5 yrs old. Only 1 of those will probably make 130, all are 8 points. I had one last year that I should have killed that was a long tined 10 that I think was 140+. He was still around in March, no pics since. It ain't easy

Re: 130” deer question [Re: lefthorn] #3330148
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by lefthorn
Originally Posted by CNC
I’m gonna go with around 20% as well.....…Most deer with the potential to be really big are shot young even on the good properties. Very few people are passing the 130-150 inch 4 year old.....With a couple more years of growth though you may be talking 170+ at age 6-7......


I have to disagree with you just a little bit. From what I’ve read, a 4 year old expresses 90% of antler growth. Now I’m sure that isn’t a hard and fast rule, but I do believe by 5 for sure, that is about all the deer is going to put on antler wise. May add some character, but don’t think they are gonna add many more inches


That 90% is an average. I’ve seen deer have their best racks at 3-4. Most have their best racks at 5-7. Some have their best racks at 8. I’ve seen more than a handful of deer go from high 140s to 180+ between 6 to 7 years old. You never know what an individual deer will do until he’s had the chance to do it.


I definitely can see this. I have killed a 4 yo and my son has as well. Neither deer broke 120 but are both very nice deer. My daughter killed her first buck this year and I believe it was a 3 yo. Would have been a giant when fully mature but he is going on the wall


And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Most people who hunt, in every state, are going to kill a 3 year old if given the chance, whether a child or adult.

Just to clarify, so no one misunderstands the meaning behind what I’ve said about deer getting shot at younger ages........(had a CNC multiperiod moment). I’m NOT in any way trying to judge or demean anyone who chooses to shoot a buck that’s not reached its potential. Everyone is well within the law and their own desires to shoot whatever they want to. Scientifically speaking, a buck needs to hit 6-8 to see what he’s capable of doing.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330149
01/21/21 08:39 PM
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I try to shoot mature deer. Figuring out how to get my hands on them makes me happy no matter the score.


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Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330163
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No offense taken on my end Matt

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330183
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I didn’t think so but I didn’t want anyone else to view what I said that way.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330190
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Matt where can I find the info on the study you mentioned earlier in the thread. If it’s even available.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330195
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I’ll see if I can find it. It was presented in about 2008-2009.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330196
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No worries MBrock - after my first post - think the next one of my posts was kind of for Gman and the other I was relating to what John Deer was saying


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Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330204
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Ha!!!! I found it! I actually found the EXACT data I was referring to. It was taken in three distinct soil regions in MS. Of course everyone knows the fertility found in the delta and the size of bucks found there. Most of AL would be comparable to the antler classes found in the loess hills and lower coastal plain data. MS antler data

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Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330217
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Great conversation, great topic! Specifically talking Alabama deer truly scoring at least 130", a man has really done something when he's killed that caliber of deer. Someone mentioned in this thread that it takes a heck of an 8-point to hit 130 in Alabama.
That is a fact! A buck that hits that in our state is a true trophy to any Alabama whitetail historian, enthusiast, or purist. I hunt a lot of different states and one Canadian province and the deer on my wall of which I am most proud are two Alabama bucks which both enter this conversation well, I believe. One was an 8-point just under at 129 2/8" and the other, interestingly enough was a huge 7-point scoring 138 5/8". Our incredibly unique re-stocking story in Alabama holds a special place in the whitetail world and that 130-incher in our state is quite the accomplishment! Cheers to the men and women who have hit that mark in the Heart of Dixie.

Re: 130” deer question [Re: Southwood7] #3330221
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Thanks Matt

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How many people would be willing to quit shooting 3 year olds to find out? Not many

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