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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
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12/19/20 11:20 PM
12/19/20 11:20 PM
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TDog93
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I am on my new Main lease for second year- I am not taking does - hav lot of predators- Not a lot of does - did decent on coon removal - bunch already replaced the 16 I took - need to get coyotes and cats gone - I hav a few huge cats
Luckily don’t hav hogs - this would b lot of work - I hav friends that have put up small sections of fence successfully and put the feed inside the fence to hav a steady feed program To keep hogs out - don’t hav to be huge pin
I am no deer biologist but I would think somewhere in 3-5 years you would see something
planting clover may give u some good protein on into the summer - U may want to mow it aprilish
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
#3297791
12/19/20 11:26 PM
12/19/20 11:26 PM
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Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 4,161 chilton, co.
hayman
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I have seen it take 8-10 years with no doe harvest to recuperate from folks shooting every deer they saw to get back to a decent population.
“Everything Woke Turns To SH_T” Donald J. Trump
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: hayman]
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12/19/20 11:41 PM
12/19/20 11:41 PM
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Posts: 8,381 Chelsea, AL
lefthorn
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I have seen it take 8-10 years with no doe harvest to recuperate from folks shooting every deer they saw to get back to a decent population. Not what I want to hear
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
#3297799
12/19/20 11:51 PM
12/19/20 11:51 PM
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Posts: 4,161 chilton, co.
hayman
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I’m sure the circumstances are different from property to property.
“Everything Woke Turns To SH_T” Donald J. Trump
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
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12/20/20 08:28 AM
12/20/20 08:28 AM
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N2TRKYS
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Not shooting does and giving them a reason to stay around has worked well for me. It ain’t a quick turn around, though. However, it’s definitely worth it when it gets where you want it.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
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12/20/20 09:57 AM
12/20/20 09:57 AM
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I had a place that had been a shoot everything place. First year you might see a deer every 2-3 days of hunting. By year five we were seeing 5-6 deer a day and lots of good bucks. Years 1-5 we shot no does and very few bucks off of 2000 acres.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
#3297955
12/20/20 10:07 AM
12/20/20 10:07 AM
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Posts: 21,767 Awbarn, AL
CNC
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I'd say in this day and age that trapping would probably help really speed up the process. I feel like does recognize the lack of coyote presence in an area and are more drawn to those places for fawning.....plus it may help with your fawn recruitment itself
Last edited by CNC; 12/20/20 10:08 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
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12/20/20 01:19 PM
12/20/20 01:19 PM
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TDog93
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I hav seen coyotes and bobcats getting after my deer this year - they put lot of pressure on deer - hav only killed one dog - gone try to trap hard in feb and may try when we get dry stretch in near future
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: TDog93]
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12/20/20 01:33 PM
12/20/20 01:33 PM
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Posts: 21,767 Awbarn, AL
CNC
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I hav seen coyotes and bobcats getting after my deer this year - they put lot of pressure on deer - hav only killed one dog - gone try to trap hard in feb and may try when we get dry stretch in near future One gang set in the right location can do some damage....You dont have to go all out with a trap on every 40 or anything.....location is the most important thing.....Find the right spot......like an intersection of two long interior roads that cut across the landscape
Last edited by CNC; 12/20/20 01:34 PM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
#3298108
12/20/20 02:27 PM
12/20/20 02:27 PM
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We try to take around 20 does off 2k acres. Stop doe harvest around Christmas each year. Most adjoining land owners hardly kill any does. Usually are 20+ deer per sit.
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
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12/20/20 06:41 PM
12/20/20 06:41 PM
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Snuffy
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I have seen it take 8-10 years with no doe harvest to recuperate from folks shooting every deer they saw to get back to a decent population. Not what I want to hear Do the math. At least 5 or 6 years of zero doe killing. Remember your neighbors are still killing them.
If you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
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12/20/20 11:12 PM
12/20/20 11:12 PM
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Turkey_neck
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Crap we’ve only killed probably 5 or 6 does in 13 years here at the house. We have lots of properties around us not shooting does and we still can’t seem to get big numbers. Seem to still hang around the 15 or so area I believe. I’d like to see it up around 25 but don’t think we can get there for some reason.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: lefthorn]
#3298644
12/21/20 10:42 AM
12/21/20 10:42 AM
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Remington270
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I bet we don’t see 12 does a year. That's depressing. I'm not sure that's going to get a lot better, short term.
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: Turkey_neck]
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12/21/20 11:04 AM
12/21/20 11:04 AM
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Posts: 21,767 Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Crap we’ve only killed probably 5 or 6 does in 13 years here at the house. We have lots of properties around us not shooting does and we still can’t seem to get big numbers. Seem to still hang around the 15 or so area I believe. I’d like to see it up around 25 but don’t think we can get there for some reason. I’d say its one of two things or more than likely a combination of both…… 1) When the population reaches a point that food or cover either one start becoming limited compared to the amount of deer using it……then social dynamics kick in and doe groups begin to become territorial over it……So your population becomes limited by the amount of food and/or cover……either one or both 2) The other one is coyotes exacerbating #1…….Cover becomes an even more coveted resource I see the same thing here at my place.....I get to a certain number of doe groups and that's it......You see start seeing more aggression between doe groups and doe groups toward young bucks.....competition for resources
Last edited by CNC; 12/21/20 11:04 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: CNC]
#3298689
12/21/20 11:30 AM
12/21/20 11:30 AM
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Remington270
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Crap we’ve only killed probably 5 or 6 does in 13 years here at the house. We have lots of properties around us not shooting does and we still can’t seem to get big numbers. Seem to still hang around the 15 or so area I believe. I’d like to see it up around 25 but don’t think we can get there for some reason. I’d say its one of two things or more than likely a combination of both…… 1) When the population reaches a point that food or cover either one start becoming limited compared to the amount of deer using it……then social dynamics kick in and doe groups begin to become territorial over it……So your population becomes limited by the amount of food and/or cover……either one or both 2) The other one is coyotes exacerbating #1…….Cover becomes an even more coveted resource I see the same thing here at my place.....I get to a certain number of doe groups and that's it......You see start seeing more aggression between doe groups and doe groups toward young bucks.....competition for resources I don't disagree, but some areas of the state are simply deer deserts. There just simply aren't deer there, period, end of story.
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Re: Herd Management
[Re: Remington270]
#3298707
12/21/20 11:40 AM
12/21/20 11:40 AM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,767 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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Crap we’ve only killed probably 5 or 6 does in 13 years here at the house. We have lots of properties around us not shooting does and we still can’t seem to get big numbers. Seem to still hang around the 15 or so area I believe. I’d like to see it up around 25 but don’t think we can get there for some reason. I’d say its one of two things or more than likely a combination of both…… 1) When the population reaches a point that food or cover either one start becoming limited compared to the amount of deer using it……then social dynamics kick in and doe groups begin to become territorial over it……So your population becomes limited by the amount of food and/or cover……either one or both 2) The other one is coyotes exacerbating #1…….Cover becomes an even more coveted resource I see the same thing here at my place.....I get to a certain number of doe groups and that's it......You see start seeing more aggression between doe groups and doe groups toward young bucks.....competition for resources I don't disagree, but some areas of the state are simply deer deserts. There just simply aren't deer there, period, end of story. I grew up in one of those areas in Marshall Co and its why I enjoy living where I do now........In my opinion most of that is due to the way we manage the land. Everything is fragmented into 40 acres here and 60 there.....Anything that may be suitable habitat is left like an island for predators to take advantage of. The thing about where I lived in Marshall Co is that there was still a vibrant coyote population driven by the cattle and chicken industry. Deer still tried to come up Short Creek from time to time and take up residence but the habitat is just too fragmented to sustain a population. The only way that those areas are ever gonna have deer is to reconnect bigger blocks of good habitat and reduce the predator populations....Changing the way we manage cattle land would really help areas like that to reconnect blocks of habitat
Last edited by CNC; 12/21/20 11:43 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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