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Old Pistol Question- Need advice #329376
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My brother and I were just given two pistols. One is a Colt Viper 38 Speical which I don't know much about but appears to be in great shape and probably was purchased in the 80's.

The pistol I have a question about was probably bought in the late 1800's/ early 1900's as it was my grandmother's father's. My grandmother was born in 1916 so that's why I assume the gun was bought around that time. The gun says "32 Winchester CTG on the barrel but just above the pistol grip it has the Smith and Wesson symbol. It is an all black revolver. I took it to a hunting store to find out more about it and whether or not it was shootable. The guy I spoke with didn't seem to know much about it but said due to a couple of issues it probably wasn't shootable. The gun is not rusted up at all, with exception of some rust in the bore.

I would appreciate any advice on this gun.

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Need to see a picture, but sounds like a .32-20 revolver. On a large double action frame, probably. "New Service" style probably. I would guess it has a 5inch barrel.

It is perfectly fine to shoot it. Just need to find the ammo. Internet is going to be your best bet. It is a black powder round. They did make smokeless powder rounds as well. It was manufactured in the '92 Winchester rifle and made it's way in several revolvers as well. It's a cool round. Fast and pretty accurate.

The rust in the bore is a BIG problem that needs to be tended to FAST. Hoppes makes a "lead and rust" remover cloth that can be used to get rid of the rust once you brush it out good.


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What were the issues the guy pointed out?

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will post pics soon. Looks a lot like the gun in the "gunsamerica.com" website but the piece that sticks out and runs below and parallel with the barrel is slightly different as the end of this part on side closest to the end of the barrel does not "go into" anything fixed to the bottom of the barrel or in other words is cantilevered if that makes sense, Which I'm sure it doesn't...

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That is a S&W Hand Ejector 1899 (first year of production), circa 1900.

See this:
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also: http://www.armchairgunshow.com/otsHA1_Smith_Wesson_HE.htm

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thanks bamachem, that is definitely it. Couldn't find it in the second link though...

Posted on the S&W forum. Would like to find out more about it and if shooting the gun would be recommended or not.

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Ding Ding....... First model hand eject. That's an oldy.

It's fine to shoot. It's been really rusty at some point and refinished. Shooting it won't hurt a thing. The 32-20 is not a high pressure load at all and it won't hurt it to shoot it. It will be expensive though. The shells are probably going to be high.


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Originally Posted By: truedouble
thanks bamachem, that is definitely it. Couldn't find it in the second link though...

Posted on the S&W forum. Would like to find out more about it and if shooting the gun would be recommended or not.


No problem. Dad has one just about like that, but in 38SPL and with a 4" barrel. Same grips. It belonged to my Grandfather back in the 40's and 50's.

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Originally Posted By: BucksvilleFatboy
Ding Ding....... First model hand eject. That's an oldy.

It's fine to shoot. It's been really rusty at some point and refinished. Shooting it won't hurt a thing. The 32-20 is not a high pressure load at all and it won't hurt it to shoot it. It will be expensive though. The shells are probably going to be high.


does you avg. hunting store carry that load?

How can you tell it was refinished? Just curious. You could be right, but would be surprised as it sat in my grandparents house for years in conditioned air. If it was refinished I'm guessing it would have been in the 30's or 40's.

Oh, and what does "hand ejector" mean?

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Hand ejector just means you have to eject the spent shells with the plunger using your hand. All revolvers up to the "hand ejector" models either came out one at a time through the loading gate or where ejected when the weapon broke open. Like the Schofield model or the other top breaks.

Not many, if any, regular stores will have 32-20 ammo. Just look on the internet and you will find it easy enough.

If you look at the side plates on the gun (between the grips and cylinder release) you will see some "rough" places. That is rust pitting. You can also see that the "markings" (smith symbol) is polished almost out. I can also tell by the color. The blueing process at the time of production of that weapon was more "brilliant" blue. This one looks black or really dark blue. Most of the weapons from this time won't have any blue left on them and they will look brown, or have a patina color.

Nice old piece of history there.


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i have an old s&w .32 long too and yours looks to be in as good/better shape than mine. i've put a couple of boxes through mine recently but probably won't shoot again...just really like the old s&w revolvers for sentimental/classic reasons.




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Originally Posted By: BucksvilleFatboy
Hand ejector just means you have to eject the spent shells with the plunger using your hand. All revolvers up to the "hand ejector" models either came out one at a time through the loading gate or where ejected when the weapon broke open. Like the Schofield model or the other top breaks.

Not many, if any, regular stores will have 32-20 ammo. Just look on the internet and you will find it easy enough.

If you look at the side plates on the gun (between the grips and cylinder release) you will see some "rough" places. That is rust pitting. You can also see that the "markings" (smith symbol) is polished almost out. I can also tell by the color. The blueing process at the time of production of that weapon was more "brilliant" blue. This one looks black or really dark blue. Most of the weapons from this time won't have any blue left on them and they will look brown, or have a patina color.

Nice old piece of history there.


Thanks. I really appreciate the info. I've learned a lot today. grin

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Originally Posted By: XIV
i have an old s&w .32 long too and yours looks to be in as good/better shape than mine. i've put a couple of boxes through mine recently but probably won't shoot again...just really like the old s&w revolvers for sentimental/classic reasons.





If your gun is not loaded do you have a hard time pulling back the hammer? I noticed that on mine I have to slightly move the cylinder to get the hammer to pull back. I assume this means something needs to be fixed or adjusted didn't know for sure.

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no problems moving the hammer, trigger or cylinder and shoots like a champ...the 32 long ammo just isn't very popular.

may just need to be cleaned well or have the cylinder re-aligned. over time, the cylinders will become 'loose' and if you'll take it into a gunshop, my experience has been that knowledgable gunsmiths like to tinker with old revolvers and would probably disassemble it for you on the spot if they aren't busy.

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thanks XIV. Sounds like the cylinder just needs to be re-aligned.


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