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Good news - bad news
#3259318
11/06/20 10:01 PM
11/06/20 10:01 PM
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Posts: 6,622 Lake View, AL
Joe4majors
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I've never put a ton of effort into bow hunting because I wasn't consistently able to get myself within range. This year, I've had deer close almost every hunt, which has been great and exciting. I've missed a couple times, but have been busted a good bit too. Once I'm pretty sure I was skylighted, which obviously wasn't by plan, but the doe came in from a direction I didn't expect. I'm using a lock on and getting as high as I can with 4 LW steps. This evening I got busted once again and don't know if I was skylighted again or if she saw the light on my bow sight. What has your experience been with sight lights and alerting deer?
Can y'all give some advice in terms of not being skylighted or at least blending into the tree better? The wider the tree the better? Say you except a deer to be in a certain spot, would you would to be facing directly toward that location so that you'd be in line with the trunk of the tree? Or set up around the back side of the tree and try to sneak a shot around the tree?
I'm not camo gloves or face mask so maybe that's a problem too?
I'm going to pop one this year with a bow one way or another!
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3259322
11/06/20 10:04 PM
11/06/20 10:04 PM
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Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 5,136 Your Lock-on
Whild_Bill
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I’d get a ghilley suit and be ocd obsessive about scent control. Or build a natural ground blind good luck
We Just Know What Works For Us
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3259380
11/06/20 11:22 PM
11/06/20 11:22 PM
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Posts: 15,447 Ourtown, AL
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Wide tree with lots of limbs for natural cover. Cedar trees, live oaks, water oaks, magnolias are one of my favorites. That’s the one true benefit of a sticks & lock-on setup over a climber.
We’re not dead. We just smell that way. Dayum. - AC870
Yessir! I’m always gonna shoot what makes me happy and I want everyone else to do the same! If you shoot one be proud of it and don’t worry what anyone else thinks. - SJ22
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3259383
11/06/20 11:26 PM
11/06/20 11:26 PM
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Posts: 3,312 Autuaga County
nomercy
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It is hard, hard, hard, to foo a deer in AL when bow hunting. If it's quiet out there it is even harder. keep at it. work the wind and use scent control. If you have to over work or strain to pull your bow back that can cause more movement and noise than you want to project as well. Good luck and keep at it!
Don't blame me for your bad decision-
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3259386
11/06/20 11:29 PM
11/06/20 11:29 PM
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Just have some cover branches around...ive killed all my deer without face mask n gloves and plenty from the ground...sometimes if i don't have enough cover ill take a leafy branch and hold it with my bow to break up my figure...if u move when they can see u your prob gonna get busted, wait till they turn to draw if u havnt drawn already
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3260018
11/07/20 08:18 PM
11/07/20 08:18 PM
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Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,207 Right behind you
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Few things Joe.
You say 4 lone wolf sticks. That puts you at what? 15-16’? That’s not high enough unless you’re in real good cover and completely motionless. Any deer can pick you off at that height, even if you aren’t moving. In the Midwest, no big deal. In AL big deal. Go higher.
Are you sitting or standing? This is very important. While bow hunting I stand as much as my body will allow me to. I do not want to get caught sitting. You have so many more steps to complete from a sitting position than from a standing position, especially if you have to reposition, stand or turn before drawing. I do not hardly ever face my stand in the direction I expect deer to travel or feed. I position my stand around the opposite side of the tree so I can gently lean out, draw and shoot. My silhouette is completely covered by the tree, whether it be 9” or 29”. Facing the direction deer are expected to be while bow hunting is just asking to get picked off. Bow hunting is a close right game, and you’ve got to treat them like the enemy. You do not want to reveal your location to the enemy. In this case, thankfully, they can’t fire back, but they will certainly pick you off and remember it.
Don’t worry about covering your face. Get concealed. Hide your face from any approaching deer by holding your bow in from of your face, while peaking over your cam. Do wear gloves. ALWAYS. When you draw they’ll pick off a light colored object making that much movement. Get very thin light gloves or I like to use gloves made for turkey hunting with the index finger and thumb cut out.
Hang in there. Bow hunting is tough. I’ve already had several deer hear me draw when joints in my shoulder or wrist pops. That’s not anything I’ve ever had to overcome before but it’s a regular occurrence now. If it’s calm they’re going to hear me draw. Just life. Had anoyher one catch me mid draw when she was looking the opposite way. Quick head turn and I was caught. It’s going to happen.
Hang in there and don’t give up. Get high and get concealed. Move as little as possible. Only draw when their attention is on something else. Something I’ve gotten used to doing is drawing when a jet from Columbus AFB is overhead. It conceals the sound of my achy joints. Lol.
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3260116
11/07/20 09:55 PM
11/07/20 09:55 PM
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Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 7,568 Boaz,AL
CarbonClimber1
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If your gettin busted..dont do those things..you sound like lazy 13yo me...id sit and sit until i seen deer right up on me..then id have to try an stand up,get my bow,draw back and not get seen...i got busted all the time..i finally figured out how to not got busted..almost never. Id stand..almost the entire time,hold my bow in my hand, and above all..see the deer before they seen me..i finally learned that was the key..seein them before they seen me...that meant i proceeded to look for deer harder and listen harder and set up in ways that gave me that advantage..i almost always see them comin the ways i set up..its just somethin ive learned to do. I dont hunt particularly high either..tho i do like a lot of cover..high or low. The deer i killed the other day i was maybe 8 ft off the ground. I like to keep deer from ceossin my groundscent..or killem before they get to it...and ill almost always do everything i can to anticipate the directions i think they will come from..keep the wind off their nose, an stay the heck away from the sun without plenty of cover. I think your issue..is not bowhunting enough...experience creates efficiency..and to not get busted all the time..you gotta be proficiently efficient at your craft..daddy was a moron when it come to climbin trees..but he always said..you gotta kill deer to kill deer...meanin..you gotta figure out what you did right..and do that...repeat it...learn and perfect. Dont do the the other stuff...😁🇺🇸
"I dont quit.. And ill fight alone if i have to"
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3260131
11/07/20 10:07 PM
11/07/20 10:07 PM
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Posts: 11,105 Earth
TDog93
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Not sure of your land and set up - but a ground blind can be very effective - just hav maybe the big window of it open and everything else shut so you will not b busted
Pressure and wind is always big and if u hav multiple spots - split up your pressure while hunting the wind
I like a steady breeze - on the calm days - the wind often blows in all directions (light and variable) which makes for snort fest so I usually don’t hunt those days and they will hear you
I hav 5 gun stands set up for different winds on 250 acres - I will hunt by the wind and try to give each spot at-least A week rest after a hunt if I can
I hav a bow only lease also that is one awesome stand set up over small patch for north wind -I am only going to hunt it when the weather is awesome and the wind is right - saw 15 on my only sit on One of our few cold mornings - my point - a calm deer (Less pressure deer) is also less likely to bust you
Hang in there man - Your time will come
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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[Re: Joe4majors]
#3260425
11/08/20 09:47 AM
11/08/20 09:47 AM
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Posts: 11,396 Kennedy, al
globe
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Most of my loc ons were in the 20-25’ range for wind mainly but I never got seen much at all. Learn to shoot sitting if you can, it takes more/different muscles for sure. Good luck!
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Ben2]
#3260578
11/08/20 01:32 PM
11/08/20 01:32 PM
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Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 3,238 Central Al
twaldrop4
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just hunt the wind. They cant see good and are dumb. Its easy to kill a deer if the wind is in your favor lol
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Re: Good news - bad news
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#3260611
11/08/20 02:25 PM
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Ridge Life
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just hunt the wind. They cant see good and are dumb. Its easy to kill a deer if the wind is in your favor lol Killed several straight out of work in blue jeans and street shirts.. little cover scent though
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#3260707
11/08/20 04:10 PM
11/08/20 04:10 PM
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Posts: 29,003 Fosters, Alabama, USA
Shaw
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Make damn sure the detergent you wash your hunting clothes in does not have any UV brightners in it.
"I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it." Captain Woodrow F. Call
ShawBuilt Custom Bowstrings
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Re: Good news - bad news
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#3260726
11/08/20 04:39 PM
11/08/20 04:39 PM
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Posts: 39,456 Marshall County
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ASAT leafy suit. You'll never been seen by a deer again.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: twaldrop4]
#3262317
11/10/20 02:51 PM
11/10/20 02:51 PM
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Posts: 19,709 Pelham
Ben2
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just hunt the wind. They cant see good and are dumb. Its easy to kill a deer if the wind is in your favor lol Killed several straight out of work in blue jeans and street shirts.. little cover scent though No cover scent needed with a proper stand set up and correct wind. I don't disagree as have I, but thinking that because you have intensely managed land that only immediate family hunts make deer dumb and easy to kill is far fetched. A lot of people on here hunt highly educated deer and they are anything but easy and dumb. A lot of people make deer highly educated by making poor decisions when hunting, scouting, working etc.
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Ben2]
#3262647
11/10/20 09:25 PM
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Posts: 3,238 Central Al
twaldrop4
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just hunt the wind. They cant see good and are dumb. Its easy to kill a deer if the wind is in your favor lol Killed several straight out of work in blue jeans and street shirts.. little cover scent though No cover scent needed with a proper stand set up and correct wind. I don't disagree as have I, but thinking that because you have intensely managed land that only immediate family hunts make deer dumb and easy to kill is far fetched. A lot of people on here hunt highly educated deer and they are anything but easy and dumb. A lot of people make deer highly educated by making poor decisions when hunting, scouting, working etc. And a lot of people don’t get to hunt deer that have the option of being uneducated. All I’m saying is it’s not as easy as you regularly make it out. You have good land and it allows you some luxuries that some don’t have. I do okay and I have been on both sides of the coin. Some properties you do as much as you can right and the next guy doesn’t and completely screws it up for everybody. In that case it can be very difficult. Go hunt on some of these clubs and then see if you’d make the same post
Last edited by twaldrop4; 11/10/20 09:26 PM.
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: Joe4majors]
#3262732
11/10/20 10:54 PM
11/10/20 10:54 PM
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Posts: 11,105 Earth
TDog93
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Yea Twaldrop - I hav hunted clubs most of my life - and I hav had some great hunts but by and large it can be very hard - lot of times a lot of the members don’t hunt the right wind and you can’t be a dick and tell them they can’t do that - they paid there money and u just hav to get along or grin and Bear it.
Very fortunate to finally find a few places that I control The pressure on
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: twaldrop4]
#3262786
11/11/20 07:25 AM
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Ben2
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[quote=Ben2]just hunt the wind. They cant see good and are dumb. Its easy to kill a deer if the wind is in your favor lol Killed several straight out of work in blue jeans and street shirts.. little cover scent though No cover scent needed with a proper stand set up and correct wind. I don't disagree as have I, but thinking that because you have intensely managed land that only immediate family hunts make deer dumb and easy to kill is far fetched. A lot of people on here hunt highly educated deer and they are anything but easy and dumb. A lot of people make deer highly educated by making poor decisions when hunting, scouting, working etc. And a lot of people don’t get to hunt deer that have the option of being uneducated. All I’m saying is it’s not as easy as you regularly make it out. You have good land and it allows you some luxuries that some don’t have. I do okay and I have been on both sides of the coin. Some properties you do as much as you can right and the next guy doesn’t and completely screws it up for everybody. In that case it can be very difficult. Go hunt on some of these clubs and then see if you’d make the same post [/quote] I have hunted all over the state in clubs, neighborhoods, small tracts, big tracts, public etc. On public people make deer seem smart by all the dumb stuff they do, which spooks the few deer that are there to begin with. however if you go to public ground (likely out of state) the deer are not any smarter than they are on a club here. Just watch the hunting public videos, half the deer they kill while they are walking around with a bow and a cameraman. I dont care what ground you hunt or I hunt, the same principals hold true. Hunt where there are deer. Hunt with the right wind and you will be successful, hunt marginal or bad winds and you will not. A deer is a deer none of theor brains are larger because of what land they live on if they were they would walk until they found a safer place to live.
Last edited by Ben2; 11/11/20 07:28 AM.
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Re: Good news - bad news
[Re: twaldrop4]
#3263747
11/11/20 11:37 PM
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Posts: 19,709 Pelham
Ben2
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Originally you said easy now you say successful. Sometimes success doesn’t come easy. That’s all I’m saying. It’s easy to say it’s easy when you have a nice setup. But when don’t have control then easy can easily go out the window. You can’t control people on large leases/ public land so therefore you can’t control the education level of deer. And public land out of state usually don’t have 3 month rifle seasons with liberal limits so those deer get way less pressure. I my opinion comparing public land here and public land out of state is apples and oranges. i understand exactly what you are saying.
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