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Perennial Success?
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07/12/20 09:54 PM
07/12/20 09:54 PM
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Anyone in here ever been able to establish and maintain a perennial food plot in deep South Alabama? I believe I have a blend now that will persist for 3-5 years. My last component is going in my test plots this year. When it is all said and done, it might would be the most expensive seed blend ever. Here is what I have put together so far, please throw in ideas. Durana clover, chicory, white dutch clover (optional) small burnet, and birdsfoot trefoil. I am interested in using white crimson clover from Hancock seed. I had never seen that before. If it reseeds like crimson, but is more palatable it could be like a perennial.
You can take a man's life, but you can't take his freedom.
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/13/20 02:25 PM
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In my bigger test plot I checker board plant different stuff every year. I monitor use, growth, and persistence. Ladino clover dies on me every summer and does not come back. Durana did come back as did chicory and birdsfoot trefoil. I have small burnett in my plot this year. My white dutch did well by itself with weed control, but as you said jwalker, it does not compete well. Crimson clover reseeds itself so well it looks like a perennial. I want to find a plot mix that you just have to cut 2-3 times a year and add fertilize.
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: jwalker77]
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07/13/20 03:06 PM
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The white clover you see in peoples yard is white dutch clover. If you plant it intentionally its not quite as easy to keep going. Its a short clover, which is why I chose it. But being a short clover, alot of grasses will grow over it and shade it out. I planted three acres of it I guess in a new peach orchard and in our berry patch. It came up and did good, it just coundnt fight the grass back, mainly fescue. I have no idea why it will blow in and take a yard over but dont do as well when you plant it. I have about three acres of crimson clover that has been growing about 5yrs. All I do is bushhog it twice a year. Also have a little patch of chickory that has kept going pretty good, just bushhog it a couple times a year. Ive had fields of oats come back pretty good. But as far as a plant it and leave it alone, stay growing all the time perennial plot, not anything ive tried. My crimson clover from my fall plots was dead as could be by mid spring this year.
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/13/20 03:37 PM
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Anyone in here ever been able to establish and maintain a perennial food plot in deep South Alabama? I believe I have a blend now that will persist for 3-5 years. My last component is going in my test plots this year. When it is all said and done, it might would be the most expensive seed blend ever. Here is what I have put together so far, please throw in ideas. Durana clover, chicory, white dutch clover (optional) small burnet, and birdsfoot trefoil. I am interested in using white crimson clover from Hancock seed. I had never seen that before. If it reseeds like crimson, but is more palatable it could be like a perennial. How about adding a little Arrowleaf to get some growth later into the late spring/summer ?
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/13/20 10:39 PM
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I always like arrowleaf, apache or yuchi. I never have it spring back out the next year though. If so, maybe some reseed.
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Re: Perennial Success?
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07/15/20 12:30 AM
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We had a pasture that had ball clover, sweet yellow, and Dutch in it. It grew on its own. I never could replicate it in my plots.
You can take a man's life, but you can't take his freedom.
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: BradB]
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07/15/20 08:07 AM
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I Unfortunately it looks like this now.But the clover is still there. That is just about ideal for deer in my opinion.....
Last edited by CNC; 07/15/20 08:08 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: CNC]
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07/15/20 08:57 AM
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I Unfortunately it looks like this now.But the clover is still there. That is just about ideal for deer in my opinion..... For cover? If you mean for food, what in all them trash weeds do deer eat? Serious question.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: marshmud991]
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07/15/20 10:10 AM
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For cover? If you mean for food, what in all them trash weeds do deer eat? Serious question.
Both cover and food.....Out of the 25+ species that I've identified in and on the edge of my field....I've observed browsing on probably about 70% of them.....with maybe 30-40% that just get hammered like an ice cream crop. They utilize them at different times from early spring to late summer.....and at different maturity levels. as well....I imagine its probably based on their needs at the current time and the current nutrient content/palatability of each plant. It also varies each year depending on weather and rainfall. I've got a pic somewhere from about 5 years ago when we had a really dry summer and I had put an exclusion cage around a patch of teaweed. The teaweed inside the exclusion cage was growing out of the top of a 4 ft basket and outside it was browsed down to about 6 inches...... The reason I say that is ideal in my opinion is not only or the diverse amount of deer food that will provide them with more than just what the clover would alone....but also because the clover needs the other plants growing with it for the soil to remain fertile.....Its the carbon produced by the other plants that gets broken down into soil organic matter.....the clover provides the nitrogen to the process......without the carbon coming from the other plants then your running a deficit basically....Any soil OM that's present when you start eventually goes through complete decomposition process and disappears because its not being replaced....It keeps decreasing until you bottom out.....all the while nature tries harder and harder to bring back in those carbon producing grasses and broadleafs and the food plotter finds themselves fighting it more and more.
Last edited by CNC; 07/15/20 10:12 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: marshmud991]
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07/15/20 10:50 AM
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I Unfortunately it looks like this now.But the clover is still there. That is just about ideal for deer in my opinion..... For cover? If you mean for food, what in all them trash weeds do deer eat? Serious question. Cover and food. I see a lot of ragweed in that photo which is a preferred deer browse and has very high crude protein.
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Re: Perennial Success?
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07/15/20 03:36 PM
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When Dr Grant Woods lets everyone in on the secret that Deer eat Kudzu I'm going straight to his house and kick that dumbarse right in his the nuts so hard he'll be wearing them as a necklace.
What does a deer eat.... let's see Beggars Lice. Ragweed. All kinds of stuff. Green Briar in the winter. All true and accurate. No doubt.
Why not plant a huge patch of Green Briar and just hunt over that. Instant Food Plot.
Right? That's coming.
There are some astronomically stupid things being thrown around within the QDMA crowd. Most seem to have Grant Woods name attached to them. He is the Dr Fauci of Deer Hunting.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Perennial Success?
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07/16/20 09:33 AM
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I drilled around 10 miles of roads with ladino ten to thirty wide six years ago and lime it every few years, fertilize twice a year . One of the best things we have done. We’re on flat prairie that used to be farm land se we already had a good seed bank to start with. Ladino sure likes the shade.
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: Goatkiller]
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07/16/20 09:44 AM
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When Dr Grant Woods lets everyone in on the secret that Deer eat Kudzu I'm going straight to his house and kick that dumbarse right in his the nuts so hard he'll be wearing them as a necklace. . LMFAO.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Perennial Success?
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/16/20 10:41 PM
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Here’s the pic of the patch of teaweed I mentioned earlier. The exclusion cages are on the tall stuff in the back. You can see just how much they were actually utilizing it toward the end of summer….This was right before we really turned off dry for a while if I remember correctly….The teaweed held up well for quite awhile….That’s one of advantages to most of these plants…..they’re much more tolerant of things like drought and browsing pressure…..When you get a chance, take a look at the nutrient content of teaweed. It’s pretty dang close to that of a soybean. I’ve got pretty good abundance of it growing around my fields now. This was one reason I made the comment in the deer feeding thread about trying to determine what nutrients, if any, the deer are actually lacking. If they’ve got plenty of high quality forage such as this to eat then they may not really be lacking. Something to consider as well in this discussion is that the plant species will change over time as the soil conditions change. If you’ve depleted your soil organic matter then you’re likely gonna see a lot of the pioneer species who’s job is to come in and repair the soil by covering it over with thatch, reestablishing root channels, produce lots of carbon, etc..etc…..Many of these plants will be the ones you guys call the nastiest and worst ones. As the soil improves though and things begin change…..much more preferred species will begin to establish ……Again here is the pic of the teaweed….
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Perennial Success?
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07/16/20 10:56 PM
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You sure that’s prickly sida? Or teaweed as you call it?
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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