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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: Rutabaga]
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06/26/20 04:03 PM
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soalaturkeys
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Doesn’t the Castle Law cover your vehicle? I'm not a lawyer, but I am fairly sure the answer is no.
"For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America" ~Benjamin Franklin
Isaiah 40:13-14
RAP is CRAP
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: bama_earl]
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06/26/20 04:22 PM
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GomerPyle
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I passed on carrying a gun... statistics show you are more likely to shoot yourself than actually use it for self-defense. I actually don't know anyone who has fired a gun in self-defense. Funny thing is, I don't hate on my friends who choose to carry and they respect my decision for not carrying. I would like to see what percentage of the people who accidentally shot themselves trained/practiced with their gun on any semi-regular basis. I'm sure there's no way to know that subset of data from whatever "study" you're referring to, but I'd bet it's significant. Buying a gun and sticking it in your console or even strapping it to your hip periodically ain't enough. You need to be practicing with it.....even if you can't get to the range often, at least practice drawing and reloading and the bare minimum.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: GomerPyle]
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06/26/20 04:34 PM
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bama_earl
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I passed on carrying a gun... statistics show you are more likely to shoot yourself than actually use it for self-defense. I actually don't know anyone who has fired a gun in self-defense. Funny thing is, I don't hate on my friends who choose to carry and they respect my decision for not carrying. I would like to see what percentage of the people who accidentally shot themselves trained/practiced with their gun on any semi-regular basis. I'm sure there's no way to know that subset of data from whatever "study" you're referring to, but I'd bet it's significant. Buying a gun and sticking it in your console or even strapping it to your hip periodically ain't enough. You need to be practicing with it.....even if you can't get to the range often, at least practice drawing and reloading and the bare minimum. You are right, that would be good to know. If you are going to carry, training and practice is going to be important for your safety and others. I also believe the number of children who are accidentally shot by a handgun in the home is higher compared to shots fired in self-defense. But that's more opinion than fact. I always keep my 870 pump in the home ready to roll and just don't chamber one unless I need too. But feeling the need to carry because I am going to get a gallon of milk, just never felt the need. Personal preference.
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
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06/26/20 04:36 PM
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Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
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I carry a gun, because a cop is too heavy.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
#3154997
06/26/20 04:54 PM
06/26/20 04:54 PM
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soalaturkeys
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I started carrying religiously a several years ago along with training seriously, and not just keeping a pistol in the glove compartment. Three years ago I was walking down a road in Mobile, a boulevard with two lanes on each side of a grass median. Minding my own business and I noticed a white homeless guy on the opposite side of the street. I know it was cool because I had a black fleece jacket on. This guy had a plastic bag full of who knows what. Next thing I know, he is stopped on the sidewalk screaming at the top of his lungs, and I realize he is screaming at (or about) me. I see you!!!!, you MF in the black jacket over there!!!!!!!!! I am gonna come over there and F you up, you F'n CS, you white MFSOB!!!!!!!!!! I picked up the pace and he never crossed the street, but I kept a close eye and I was super happy to have my hand close to my nice carry pistol, and made sure I really did have the two spare mags.. He kept screaming until I was out of sight...I didn't have to draw, but man...I never go out without it now. I train and I dry fire. It is a comfort.
"For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America" ~Benjamin Franklin
Isaiah 40:13-14
RAP is CRAP
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: Out back]
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06/26/20 04:56 PM
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soalaturkeys
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I carry a gun, because a cop is too heavy. Yes. when seconds count, cops are many minutes away...
"For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America" ~Benjamin Franklin
Isaiah 40:13-14
RAP is CRAP
NRA Life Member, GOA, BamaCarry Member
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
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06/26/20 05:17 PM
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Freak of Nature
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Guns are like parachutes.
If you find yourself in need of one and don't have one, you'll never need one again.
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
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06/26/20 05:28 PM
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Skullworks
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I’ve been carrying for 34 years.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
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06/26/20 05:30 PM
06/26/20 05:30 PM
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(a) A person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he or she may use a degree of force which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose. A person may use deadly physical force, and is legally presumed to be justified in using deadly physical force in self-defense or the defense of another person pursuant to subdivision (5), if the person reasonably believes that another person is:
(1) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force.
(2) Using or about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling while committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling.
(3) Committing or about to commit a kidnapping in any degree, assault in the first or second degree, burglary in any degree, robbery in any degree, forcible rape, or forcible sodomy.
(4) Using or about to use physical force against an owner, employee, or other person authorized to be on business property when the business is closed to the public while committing or attempting to commit a crime involving death, serious physical injury, robbery, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, or a crime of a sexual nature involving a child under the age of 12.
(5) In the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or has unlawfully and forcefully entered, a dwelling, residence, business property, or occupied vehicle, or federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is in the process of sabotaging or attempting to sabotage a federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is attempting to remove, or has forcefully removed, a person against his or her will from any dwelling, residence, business property, or occupied vehicle when the person has a legal right to be there, and provided that the person using the deadly physical force knows or has reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act is occurring. The legal presumption that a person using deadly physical force is justified to do so pursuant to this subdivision does not apply if:
a. The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner or lessee, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;
b. The person sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used;
c. The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
d. The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer acting in the performance of his or her official duties.
(b) A person who is justified under subsection (a) in using physical force, including deadly physical force, and who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and is in any place where he or she has the right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground.
(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), a person is not justified in using physical force if:
(1) With intent to cause physical injury or death to another person, he or she provoked the use of unlawful physical force by such other person.
(2) He or she was the initial aggressor, except that his or her use of physical force upon another person under the circumstances is justifiable if he or she withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his or her intent to do so, but the latter person nevertheless continues or threatens the use of unlawful physical force.
(3) The physical force involved was the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.
(d)(1) A person who uses force, including deadly physical force, as justified and permitted in this section is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the force was determined to be unlawful.
(2) Prior to the commencement of a trial in a case in which a defense is claimed under this section, the court having jurisdiction over the case, upon motion of the defendant, shall conduct a pretrial hearing to determine whether force, including deadly force, used by the defendant was justified or whether it was unlawful under this section. During any pretrial hearing to determine immunity, the defendant must show by a preponderance of the evidence that he or she is immune from criminal prosecution.
(3) If, after a pretrial hearing under subdivision (2), the court concludes that the defendant has proven by a preponderance of the evidence that force, including deadly force, was justified, the court shall enter an order finding the defendant immune from criminal prosecution and dismissing the criminal charges.
(4) If the defendant does not meet his or her burden of proving immunity at the pre-trial hearing, he or she may continue to pursue the defense of self-defense or defense of another person at trial. Once the issue of self-defense or defense of another person has been raised by the defendant, the state continues to bear the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt all of the elements of the charged conduct.
(e) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force described in subsection (a), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: bama_earl]
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06/26/20 05:34 PM
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[quote=GomerPyle]But feeling the need to carry because I am going to get a gallon of milk, just never felt the need. Personal preference.
I respect how you feel and hope it never happens, but wait till your robbed. You'll change your mind. Ask me how I know.
If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.-Mark Twain
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: ford150man]
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06/26/20 05:36 PM
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[quote=GomerPyle]But feeling the need to carry because I am going to get a gallon of milk, just never felt the need. Personal preference.
I respect how you feel and hope it never happens, but wait till your robbed. You'll change your mind. Ask me how I know. The one and only time that I NEEDED my handgun it was approximately 10’ away inside my Jeep. Since then I always have one in reach, always.
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: GomerPyle]
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06/26/20 05:42 PM
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eclipse829
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i dont have a permit, dont see the use in it, its my gun i bought it and my ancestors fought for me to have that right, i dont even know what the law would do if they caught me with it dont care, i dont have a permit for the pocket knife i carry either probably not real smart to go posting that on a public innerwebs forum How else will folks know what a Rebel you are if you don't tell them on an internet forum?
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
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06/26/20 06:04 PM
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red neck richie
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I have my CCP. I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. You only get one go around. I dont plan on leaving before my time because I was not prepared.
Last edited by red neck richie; 06/26/20 06:05 PM.
Old enough to know better but still too young too care!
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: leroycnbucks]
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06/26/20 06:31 PM
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Scout308
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Conceal carry isn't always comfortable but it's damn sure comforting. A Clint Smith quote.
"America First! Nothing Else Matters"
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
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06/27/20 01:59 PM
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When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
I love my country, but don't trust my government.
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Re: I believe agreement in here is 100%-Be armed
[Re: soalaturkeys]
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06/27/20 05:34 PM
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CatHeadBiscuit
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Ain’t been farther than arms length from one and most often 2 at all times since March 7th
"Arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon. You may be good at chess, but the pigeon is just going to knock all the pieces down, take a crap on the table, and strut around like its victorious."--Anonymous
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