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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: abolt300] #3130754
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Hold your judgement until all the facts are in including the autopsy and toxicology tests. Guy sure was moving his head and neck around a pretty good bit and talking clearly for that officer to have had him completely locked down with the knee. Once he got him in cuffs, he absolutely should have removed his knee. That said, I am betting that the guy was doped up on something and the sudden exerction of fighting with the cops and adrenaline dump probably caused him to cardiac out. It has happened before many times. Happened in a situation with an employee of ours one time. Guy was walking to work and tossed a banana peel into a guy's front yard. Guy came running off the porch and attacked my employee with a pipe. My employee punched the guy in the side of head and dropped him and took off running. 45 min later cops show up and arrest him for murder, there at work. Toxicology tests and autopsy comes back and the guy had evidently smoked a 5 lb crack rock right before the incident. Sudden exerction adrenaline surge of jumping off the porch and charging our employee caused his heart to basically explode. Employee was cleared and instead of being charged with murder was charged with littering if you can believe that. Let's just wait and get all the facts before we say the cop killed him by suffocating him with his knee.

Hold what judgement the man was in cuffs. Get the hell off of him


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: HippieKiller] #3130764
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They gone burn the city down now before they even know any details


Minneapolis is run by socialist liberals and Muslims, so maybe that is a good thing.


It's a shame, it really is a beautiful town.


The few times I have been there I never really cared for it, they do have a big shopping mall though. Hate to see it go.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3130773
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#1 Don’t be a criminal
#2 Don’t resist arrest

Repeat......


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3130798
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Videos down so I haven't seen the officers actions. I'd think seeing a cuffed man with a knee choking him to death would be worth "strongly explaining" to said officer to stop. The Tom T.Hall song faster horses comes to mind lay that muzzle upside the head and get slack out the trigger would save that cuffed choking man's life and if anyone thinks legal problems would result perhaps perhaps not.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3130977
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You don’t talk if you can’t breathe.

Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3131032
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dude was in handcuffs. enough said

Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: RCHRR] #3131039
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Originally Posted by RCHRR
You don’t talk if you can’t breathe.

From what I've read, the issue wasn't being able to breathe. It was cutting off blood flow to his brain. If you've ever seen someone put in a "rear naked choke" (they really should come up with a better name for that), that's what it does. It blocks the blood flow to the brain through the carotid arteries. It takes only a few seconds to make someone black out and could most definitely kill them if not released pretty quickly. I'm guessing the knee on the guys neck for several minutes did basically the same thing, albeit a little slower than the choke hold since it was only on one side.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: capehorn24] #3131048
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Originally Posted by capehorn24
dude was in handcuffs. enough said



Exactly! And you don't have to be a "highly trained" police officer to have enough common sense to realize that the person you are apprehending isn't going anywhere.

From what I understand is knee to the neck is considered deadly force and is no longer accepted police procedure.. Knee to the small of the back is more commonly used in restraining a suspect.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: GomerPyle] #3131068
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by RCHRR
You don’t talk if you can’t breathe.

From what I've read, the issue wasn't being able to breathe. It was cutting off blood flow to his brain. If you've ever seen someone put in a "rear naked choke" (they really should come up with a better name for that), that's what it does. It blocks the blood flow to the brain through the carotid arteries. It takes only a few seconds to make someone black out and could most definitely kill them if not released pretty quickly. I'm guessing the knee on the guys neck for several minutes did basically the same thing, albeit a little slower than the choke hold since it was only on one side.



Blocking one side of the carotid artery would not kill you. You would perfuse your brain from the other side through the circle of willis. Now if he has some calcification and was 80% blocked it may be somewhat possible. Either way if he could breath and only had once side cut off he should have lived. I bet it was some other underlying health condition.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: RCHRR] #3131073
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Originally Posted by RCHRR
You don’t talk if you can’t breathe.

looked like he quit talking and breathing to me


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3131078
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Let us not forget that this guy had committed a crime and did resist and had to be restrained
He was combative
Is there any doubt what this guy would do if he wasn’t held down ?...not I my mind
I asked the question earlier How can you talk if you can’t breathe?? The knee on his neck restrained him but couldn’t cut off blood flow unless this guy had serious arterial issues.
Just a guess on my part....I think the guy had a heart attack and was a walking time bomb for that event to happen


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: deadeye48] #3131082
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
Let us not forget that this guy had committed a crime and did resist and had to be restrained
He was combative
Is there any doubt what this guy would do if he wasn’t held down ?...not I my mind
I asked the question earlier How can you talk if you can’t breathe?? The knee on his neck restrained him but couldn’t cut off blood flow unless this guy had serious arterial issues.
Just a guess on my part....I think the guy had a heart attack and was a walking time bomb for that event to happen


But once he was cuffed and help arrived any dangerous hold that he was in should have been let up on.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: deadeye48] #3131084
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
Let us not forget that this guy had committed a crime and did resist and had to be restrained


Doesn't every American deserves a right to due process. I thought we were innocent until proven guilty.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: deadeye48] #3131091
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
Let us not forget that this guy had committed a crime and did resist and had to be restrained
He was combative
Is there any doubt what this guy would do if he wasn’t held down ?...not I my mind
I asked the question earlier How can you talk if you can’t breathe?? The knee on his neck restrained him but couldn’t cut off blood flow unless this guy had serious arterial issues.
Just a guess on my part....I think the guy had a heart attack and was a walking time bomb for that event to happen

you probably don't know this but i guarantee you the cop should have learned this in training

Positional asphyxia, also known as postural asphyxia, is a form of asphyxia which occurs when someone's position prevents the person from breathing adequately. Positional asphyxia may be a factor for people who die suddenly in a hog-tie restraint by police, prison (corrections) officers, military or health care staff.[1] Positional asphyxia is also a common cause of death in infants.

prone restraint:Research has suggested that restraining a person in a face-down position is likely to cause greater restriction of breathing than restraining a person face-up.[2] Multiple cases have been associated with the hogtie or hobble prone restraint position.[3][4] Many law enforcement and health personnel are now taught to avoid restraining people face-down or to do so only for a very short period of time.[1]

Risk factors which may increase the chance of death include prolonged (particularly resisted) restraint, obesity, prior cardiac or respiratory problems, and the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine.[5] Other issues in the way the subject is restrained can also increase the risk of death, for example kneeling or otherwise placing weight on the subject and particularly any type of restraint hold around the subject's neck. Research measuring the effect of restraint positions on lung function suggests that restraint which involves bending the restrained person or placing body weight on them has more effect on their breathing than face-down positioning alone.[6]


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: jmudler] #3131116
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Originally Posted by jmudler
Originally Posted by deadeye48
Let us not forget that this guy had committed a crime and did resist and had to be restrained


Doesn't every American deserves a right to due process. I thought we were innocent until proven guilty.


Agreed. When you resist arrest and fight with cops, IMO, you pretty much get what you get. I'm sure had he said, "yes officer, let's get to the bottom of this situation, what do you need me to do", he probably wouldnt have ended up face down on the pavement with a knee in his neck restraining him. In any other situation, he actions in physically engaging the cops would be what is considered contributory negligence. I know for certain that I for one absolutely do not have the right temperament to be a cop. White or black, doped up or sober, it doesn't matter, start a physical altercation with cops, you have to deal with the consequences. IMO police have a hard enough job dealing with the general public on a daily basis. There is no longer any respect for LEOs, the law or authority, if there was, almost all of these types of situations would not ever happen.

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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3131124
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Tactical Timmy cost that guy his life. I don't care what he did, after he was cuffed and searched he should have been in the back of a car. That guy died because the cop wanted to be a dick.

Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3131130
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Instead of a recording on a cellphone the guy videoing asks for the officer to do his job and let the pressure off the neck if that happens the arrestee lives. If officer decides to play God and "teach a lesson" that's not okay and if you threaten anyone's life cop or not the law says it's perfectly acceptable for someone to use a baseball bat to your noggin,to use your throacic cavity as a target( 2nd button down two inches to the left.) I think the courts call it a higher standard of care since police SHOULD know better. Talking is fine but sometimes you have to MAKE someone sorry they called your name and asked for you. The other officers who stood by doing nothing are more disgusting because they didn't stop this murder. Plus let 10-15 Tactical Timmy James Yeager wannabees get beaten down or turned into bullet magnets and that'll cause ol'bada$$ Tactical methyl Ethel hearttaker Timmy to think "If I do stupid am I going to be shot 261 times like so&so was last week?" That will cure the bad apples law enforcement sadly attracts.

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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: abolt300] #3131150
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by jmudler
Originally Posted by deadeye48
Let us not forget that this guy had committed a crime and did resist and had to be restrained


Doesn't every American deserves a right to due process. I thought we were innocent until proven guilty.


There is no longer any respect for LEOs, the law or authority, if there was, almost all of these types of situations would not ever happen.


He sure didn't help matters none...



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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: capehorn24] #3131160
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Originally Posted by capehorn24
dude was in handcuffs. enough said

Yep, not time to let a guard down.....but not time to do that, and be on video.


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Re: Minneapolis Police [Re: burbank] #3131168
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You could not pay me enough to be a police officer in the United States. I really do not see how they are able to hire people to do this job.


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