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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: oldknight]
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05/28/20 07:15 AM
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Irishguy
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Shiloh is a very eery place to me. I felt the dead all around me.
The only individual graves would be for union soldiers, they stacked the confederate dead in mass graves. I was very disappointed to realize this on my first visit. However, when you lose it's the victors that get to choose how things are carried out. The Union soldiers get a nice cemetery and the Confederates get chunked in a hole like cord wood. I have a buddy from Michigan and we stopped by on our way back from a motorcycle trip to the Ozarks. He was surprised and disappointed as well to see the Confederate mass graves.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: Out back]
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05/28/20 07:23 AM
05/28/20 07:23 AM
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I watched about 15 minutes of that show and quickly realized it was produced by the revisionists. They made Grant out to be some sort of morally superior champion of human rights. I wanted to puke. Nothing in that show is truthful. I knew this and haven't even watched and refuse to watch the show When they said Decaprio was over this shoot I knew immediately I wouldn't watch Weird how everyone seems to forget Grant had slaves during this time too
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: lefthorn]
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05/28/20 08:17 AM
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If you've never heard Darryl Whorley sing Shiloh you need to take a few minutes to listen. I think this song describes how most of us feel when we visit these old battle fields. ]Shiloh
Last edited by bamabeagler; 05/28/20 08:20 AM.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: bamabeagler]
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05/28/20 08:42 AM
05/28/20 08:42 AM
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Wiley Coyote
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If you've never heard Darryl Whorley sing Shiloh you need to take a few minutes to listen. I think this song describes how most of us feel when we visit these old battle fields. ]ShilohDid you know that he's from Savannah, TN just up the road from Shiloh?
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: lefthorn]
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05/28/20 08:48 AM
05/28/20 08:48 AM
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I've watched some of it but like others have said there's obviously an agenda here. Several things about the 'civil war' I often think about being someone that loves history like I do. The biggest thing is it wasn't a "civil war." A civil war is where a group or groups of the citizenry try to over throw a sitting government for what ever reason. This was a war between the states. The Confederacy had every right to succeed and they did it constitutionally for whatever the reason was. But slavery was / is spiritually and morally wrong. It shouldn't have come to a war where over six hundred thousand Americans died. Plus the financial hardships that it put on the South for some seventy five years after it. The state of Alabama didn't paid off it's "penalty for succeeding" until 1949.
But one thing about this documentary that bothers me the most is the way the liberal left actor that directed it makes the watchers that don't know history think that every Southern solider owned a slave and that's what they were fighting for. That is 100% wrong. The overwhelming majority of the Confederate soldiers were dirt poor and what they did have was taken from them by the CSA for the war effort.
One thing about this war that has always puzzled me is how could both sides sustain such large casualties during a battle with the weapons that they were using at that time? Plus a lot of the fighting was hand to hand combat. Like at Shiloh were 25,000 died. That's more deaths at one battle than the entire amount of soldiers in the Continental Army that fought and defeated the British. And then at Vicksburg where the Northern papers said that the Confederacy lost 35,000. Just a horrible war.
Proud Army and ALNG veteran God Bless America!
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: leroycnbucks]
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05/28/20 09:12 AM
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daylate
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I've watched some of it but like others have said there's obviously an agenda here. Several things about the 'civil war' I often think about being someone that loves history like I do. The biggest thing is it wasn't a "civil war." A civil war is where a group or groups of the citizenry try to over throw a sitting government for what ever reason. This was a war between the states. The Confederacy had every right to succeed and they did it constitutionally for whatever the reason was. But slavery was / is spiritually and morally wrong. It shouldn't have come to a war where over six hundred thousand Americans died. Plus the financial hardships that it put on the South for some seventy five years after it. The state of Alabama didn't paid off it's "penalty for succeeding" until 1949.
But one thing about this documentary that bothers me the most is the way the liberal left actor that directed it makes the watchers that don't know history think that every Southern solider owned a slave and that's what they were fighting for. That is 100% wrong. The overwhelming majority of the Confederate soldiers were dirt poor and what they did have was taken from them by the CSA for the war effort.
One thing about this war that has always puzzled me is how could both sides sustain such large casualties during a battle with the weapons that they were using at that time? Plus a lot of the fighting was hand to hand combat. Like at Shiloh were 25,000 died. That's more deaths at one battle than the entire amount of soldiers in the Continental Army that fought and defeated the British. And then at Vicksburg where the Northern papers said that the Confederacy lost 35,000. Just a horrible war. Gut shots and death from infection from charging at the enemy out in the open. It was brutal and a heartbreaking thing to have happened in this country. Demonizing the South is just shameful.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: lefthorn]
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05/28/20 09:16 AM
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The answers to the massive casualties is that they were still using Napoleonic tactics for the most part at the beginning of the war.... however by this point the rifles and artillery had greater accuracy and range and were therefore much more lethal. So a slaughter ensued.
Tactics sort of evolved as the war went on and they used Skirmishers and changed things up quite a bit.. The military tactics aspect of the Civil war pretty unique. Despite supply line advancements (think railroad) and weapons advancements these battles were ultimately fought by lines of men in a cloud of smoke with limited visibility in close quarters and ultimately hand to hand combat.
Pretty serious business.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: lefthorn]
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05/28/20 09:58 AM
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leroycnbucks
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With all the overwhelming odds for victory that the Confederacy had against them. If they would've had a Navy then history today would be different. Do y'all agree?
Proud Army and ALNG veteran God Bless America!
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: leroycnbucks]
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05/28/20 10:03 AM
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Out back
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With all the overwhelming odds for victory that the Confederacy had against them. If they would've had a Navy then history today would be different. Do y'all agree? A formidable Navy could have turned the tide completely. But the lack of industry and infrastructure was the south's Achilles heel.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: lefthorn]
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05/28/20 10:10 AM
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Interesting fact... At the beginning of the war both sides had identical military uniforms. It's amazing to me, that nobody thought of this obvious problem before the war. It wasn't until the first battle skirmish they realized, "oh hell, we all look the same".
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: Out back]
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05/28/20 10:32 AM
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daylate
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With all the overwhelming odds for victory that the Confederacy had against them. If they would've had a Navy then history today would be different. Do y'all agree? A formidable Navy could have turned the tide completely. But the lack of industry and infrastructure was the south's Achilles heel. Not to mention the obvious fact that all of their taxpayer money was used by the Union to build superior weapons to be used against them.
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Re: Civil War Question
[Re: lefthorn]
#3132012
05/28/20 12:38 PM
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Union general james wilson camped out in Winter of 1865 In gravelly spring al in lauderdale county. . I live in that area. It was 3 years after shiloh. He had the largest calvery force in the country at the time. 22,000 men on horseback. They trained there in winter an in march crossed the tn river on way to selma al. They raided selma montegomery an burned the university of alabama to the ground. Think they Was looking for Nathan Bedford Forrest army at selma. Most of the campgrounds is under water now because of pickwick dam. One camp is only a mile from me. My family has lived here for generations. The yankee soldiers came to their houses took all food, cows, chickens or what ever they needed an left them to starve. Lots of lead mini balls been found. My dad thought he found a blacksmith shop where they shoed horses. Found lots of ends off horse shoes an couple hammers. This area has been hunted out with metal detectors since then. Wish i knew where the hammers was but that long time ago. There is huge holes dug in hillside above the bluff creek road you can see in the winter time. Fascinating to me that many soldiers camped out basically in my front yard.
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