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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: Geno]
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05/20/20 12:01 PM
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abolt300
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Here's something for everyone to ponder with regard to the accuracy of the numbers being reported (from FOX news article today on hardest hit areas of NY):
"As of Tuesday, city health department officials reported 16,059 confirmed deaths and 4,628 probable deaths, meaning the cause of death was reported as a COVID-19 death but there was not a positive laboratory test. By Tuesday, New York State reported 15,293 coronavirus deaths in New York City, according to the NYC DOH."
City of New York and State of New York numbers for Covid deaths in NYC differ by 9.5%. Of the 16,059 deaths reported in NYC, 4,628 or 28.9% were admittedly reported as Covid but never had a positive lab test to actually confirm infection. Anyone want to bet the lab tests on those 4,628 fatalities came back negative for Covid-19 but they listed them anyway? I would find it very very hard to believe that these 4,628 people that died were never tested in any way for Covid 19.
Things that make you go Hmmmmm................................
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: jrs89]
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05/20/20 12:27 PM
05/20/20 12:27 PM
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Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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Can’t be to safe! The hospitals are slap full. Not!
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: Out back]
#3127074
05/20/20 12:32 PM
05/20/20 12:32 PM
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Posts: 4,403 Calhoun County
jrs89
10 point
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Can’t be to safe! The hospitals are slap full. Not! I was be being sarcastic
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: jrs89]
#3127075
05/20/20 12:34 PM
05/20/20 12:34 PM
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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Can’t be to safe! The hospitals are slap full. Not! I was be being sarcastic I know. 👍
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: abolt300]
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05/20/20 01:46 PM
05/20/20 01:46 PM
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jwalker77
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Here's something for everyone to ponder with regard to the accuracy of the numbers being reported (from FOX news article today on hardest hit areas of NY):
"As of Tuesday, city health department officials reported 16,059 confirmed deaths and 4,628 probable deaths, meaning the cause of death was reported as a COVID-19 death but there was not a positive laboratory test. By Tuesday, New York State reported 15,293 coronavirus deaths in New York City, according to the NYC DOH."
City of New York and State of New York numbers for Covid deaths in NYC differ by 9.5%. Of the 16,059 deaths reported in NYC, 4,628 or 28.9% were admittedly reported as Covid but never had a positive lab test to actually confirm infection. Anyone want to bet the lab tests on those 4,628 fatalities came back negative for Covid-19 but they listed them anyway? I would find it very very hard to believe that these 4,628 people that died were never tested in any way for Covid 19.
Things that make you go Hmmmmm................................ Now find out how many people died total of all causes in that same time period and see what percentage of the total covids make up. I suspect alot of deaths that arent covid related at all are being labled covid for the money. If my math is right its going to be around 30%
Last edited by jwalker77; 05/20/20 01:50 PM.
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: crocker]
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05/21/20 08:19 AM
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toothdoc
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Montgomery COVID-19 patients being diverted to Birmingham due to ICU bed shortage Doesn’t say how many of the ICU patients have covid According to the EMA director in a quote from AL.com, this is not true, just more misleading information from sensationalized article Headlines. "Montgomery's sudden rise came much later than in Birmingham and Mobile, which experienced surges in March and April. That gave the city time to prepare, said Montgomery Emergency Management Agency Director Christina Thornton. Hospitals stocked up on ventilators and protective equipment while case numbers remained low. “Cases have grown significantly over the last week or two,” Thrasher said on Tuesday. “Alabama and Montgomery probably hit a peak this last weekend.” “I look daily at the bed counts, ICU beds, negative pressure rooms and ventilators,” Thornton said. “Right now, there is a large capacity and they are holding their own.”
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: Geno]
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05/21/20 08:52 AM
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toothdoc
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From Dr.John Sullivan, Head of ER Baptist Medical Center South. Main hospital in Montgomery: "Our approach and what seems to be causing some of the confusion:
We have divided our Emergency Department into zones that are “possible COVID-19” and not COVID.
The hospital has been divided into areas that are “possible/confirmed COVID” and not COVID.
This has been done in an effort to create a safe environment for the non-COVID patients and it allows us to concentrate PPE into certain areas.
Because of this split, it can create confusion on bed availability.
The idea that we have no ICUs available is an exaggeration of the truth. We have 6 ICUs at Baptist South. 2 are currently reserved for COVID patients. Those 2 units are very busy currently. As I sit in the ED right now, the units are “full”, but we only have 2 patients in the ER that need a COVID ICU bed and will "likely" get a bed tonight as patients improve in the ICU (according to bed control). “Available Beds” is a fluid number. Some people get better and can be transitioned to a floor room, some patients on floors get discharged.
“So why is it an exaggeration of the truth? You said that the units were full.” Yes, but we also have 4 other ICUs that have beds available. We would like to keep these units free of COVID, so that if you have a Heart Attack or a Stroke or a bad car accident, we can keep you in a COVID free environment. The ER is essentially an ICU, so we can safely keep a few ICU patients until beds in COVID designated ICU beds become available. If we get to a point where we need to convert one of the non-COVID ICUs to a COVID ICU then we can do that. We would move patients in that ICU to a different non-COVID ICU and then start placing patients into the newly created COVID unit. We have meticulously planned this escalation and will implement when necessary. So, yes, while we currently do not have an ICU bed in a COVID unit, it is not that our system is so overwhelmed that people need to be concerned that we are currently in the New York state of emergency."
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: Geno]
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05/21/20 01:52 PM
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it really fires me up how those liberal rags just tell a straight forward lie damn near every time they type something. Where in hell is that lightning strike I keep looking for?
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Re: Covid Numbers
[Re: toothdoc]
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05/21/20 02:38 PM
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HippieKiller
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From Dr.John Sullivan, Head of ER Baptist Medical Center South. Main hospital in Montgomery: "Our approach and what seems to be causing some of the confusion:
We have divided our Emergency Department into zones that are “possible COVID-19” and not COVID.
The hospital has been divided into areas that are “possible/confirmed COVID” and not COVID.
This has been done in an effort to create a safe environment for the non-COVID patients and it allows us to concentrate PPE into certain areas.
Because of this split, it can create confusion on bed availability.
The idea that we have no ICUs available is an exaggeration of the truth. We have 6 ICUs at Baptist South. 2 are currently reserved for COVID patients. Those 2 units are very busy currently. As I sit in the ED right now, the units are “full”, but we only have 2 patients in the ER that need a COVID ICU bed and will "likely" get a bed tonight as patients improve in the ICU (according to bed control). “Available Beds” is a fluid number. Some people get better and can be transitioned to a floor room, some patients on floors get discharged.
“So why is it an exaggeration of the truth? You said that the units were full.” Yes, but we also have 4 other ICUs that have beds available. We would like to keep these units free of COVID, so that if you have a Heart Attack or a Stroke or a bad car accident, we can keep you in a COVID free environment. The ER is essentially an ICU, so we can safely keep a few ICU patients until beds in COVID designated ICU beds become available. If we get to a point where we need to convert one of the non-COVID ICUs to a COVID ICU then we can do that. We would move patients in that ICU to a different non-COVID ICU and then start placing patients into the newly created COVID unit. We have meticulously planned this escalation and will implement when necessary. So, yes, while we currently do not have an ICU bed in a COVID unit, it is not that our system is so overwhelmed that people need to be concerned that we are currently in the New York state of emergency." Link for this quote?
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