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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: daniel white]
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03/12/20 10:26 PM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Message Lefthorn and get his advice.
If I were you I'd remove every crappie possible. They breed like rabbits and eat anything. Sounds like you're in need of removing a lot of predator fish and increasing the forage base, if possible.
A 10-acre lake would be fun to tinker with. Good luck with it!
The crappie is what I’d want to improve the most. Lol But o understand what your saying, it’s had crappie in for years, I know the last 7 since I’ve been fishing it. Another down fall is its super clear, and has no shade around it. My bosses son, had the grand idea to push all the trees over into it 10 years ago, I mean everyone of em! So now it has slick bark trees all around the side of it. But it don’t have any thick trees or any kind of shade. It has structure but not good structure I guess is what I’m saying. You can plant more trees around the bank. Wouldn't be tough to do. If the water's clear as a bell, sounds like some lime to get it balanced right along with fertilizer is in order. A good algae bloom helps jumpstart the food chain. A couple of our neighborhood lakes are clear and have few trees around them. Fish are stunted, little to no forage base, water gets hotter than hell in summer and the fishing sucks in them. What trees would you suggest? That honesty never crossed my mind. But I like that idea. Catalpa trees aren't a bad idea if they'd do well around there. I'd probably plant something that grows fairly quickly and provides shade. Sawtooths? Willows?
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: lefthorn]
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03/13/20 06:10 AM
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Honestly, the best place to start is with an electrofishing evaluation and written management plan. That way you know where your deficiencies are. Do you need lime? Do you need more bluegill(just cause you have a bunch of big ones doesn’t mean the bass have enough to eat)? Do you need different forage for crappie (threadfin shad or shiners)? I don’t know and neither do you until you see what is really going on under the surface. All these questions can be answered through electrofishing.
Think of it this way, do you start replacing parts on a car to fix a problem without first diagnosing the problem? Did you really need an alternator or was the serpentine belt just broke?
Shoot me a pm and I’ll give you my number and we can go from there. I could see that, like most folks I’m wanting to be somewhat cheap here. 🤣🤣 Another thing about it is, i don’t ever see any baitfish swimming around the edge of the lake. Like not a single one. Rode around it yesterday standing up on the tractor with my Costa’s on, saw over 100 bass less than 12 inches long, and prob 200 bream, less than 5 inches long I’d say. But not a single minnow or shad
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: daniel white]
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03/13/20 06:38 AM
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I've been told that lime has to be put over the ground of the pond to be truly effective. The idea isn't to mix it into the water; it's to let it sink into the bottom all over the pond. You are liming the soil under the pond, not the water. That's what makes it so difficult.
If someone really knows that this is wrong, please correct me.
Having a setup where you could lime it from the bank makes it much easier than having to cover the pond with a boat.
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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03/13/20 07:12 AM
03/13/20 07:12 AM
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I've been told that lime has to be put over the ground of the pond to be truly effective. The idea isn't to mix it into the water; it's to let it sink into the bottom all over the pond. You are liming the soil under the pond, not the water. That's what makes it so difficult.
If someone really knows that this is wrong, please correct me.
Having a setup where you could lime it from the bank makes it much easier than having to cover the pond with a boat.
100% correct.
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: daniel white]
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03/13/20 07:18 AM
03/13/20 07:18 AM
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Chelsea, AL
lefthorn
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Honestly, the best place to start is with an electrofishing evaluation and written management plan. That way you know where your deficiencies are. Do you need lime? Do you need more bluegill(just cause you have a bunch of big ones doesn’t mean the bass have enough to eat)? Do you need different forage for crappie (threadfin shad or shiners)? I don’t know and neither do you until you see what is really going on under the surface. All these questions can be answered through electrofishing.
Think of it this way, do you start replacing parts on a car to fix a problem without first diagnosing the problem? Did you really need an alternator or was the serpentine belt just broke?
Shoot me a pm and I’ll give you my number and we can go from there. I could see that, like most folks I’m wanting to be somewhat cheap here. 🤣🤣 Another thing about it is, i don’t ever see any baitfish swimming around the edge of the lake. Like not a single one. Rode around it yesterday standing up on the tractor with my Costa’s on, saw over 100 bass less than 12 inches long, and prob 200 bream, less than 5 inches long I’d say. But not a single minnow or shad Sounds like you are way overpopulated on the bass. And I know you want the crappie but I bet they are overpopulated too. To remedy this, you have to reduce the predators. If the bluegill numbers are high enough (doesn’t sound like it) once you start hammering the predators, they will repopulate. However, most of the time you have to bring more in. Also, the crappie need something other to eat than the bluegill. Shad or shiners are preferred. As of now, since you are predator crowded, I would not harvest ANY bluegill
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: daniel white]
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03/13/20 12:07 PM
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Just thought of something ... as Lefthorn said about the electrofishing for survey and baseline, couldn't that also be used for crappie removal on a larger scale?
If you did some kind of netting you'd get bass, bluegill and other. With the electro, dipping and sorting you could keep the crappie and anything else you want out of there, and toss the desired fish back into the drink.
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: lefthorn]
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03/14/20 08:30 AM
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As for feeders, they help get your bluegill up to breeding size faster. General recommendations are one feeder per 5 acres. However we classify them as a “level 2” recommendation. Lime,, fertilizing, harvest, and structure are “level 1” lefthorn, if I lime my pond does the fact that the water in my pond is constantly changing help or hurt? by that I mean I have so much runoff into my pond with large drain pipes--when it rains (as much as it has) that every time I have pretty much all new water in my pond. 2 inches of rain will make my pond rise roughly 20 inches, then drain off over the next 12-15 hours or so. what does that variable mean to a healthy pond?
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: daniel white]
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03/14/20 01:48 PM
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Clanton, AL
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What the hell, dude???? You got a red tractor???
You're dead to me.
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: Out back]
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03/14/20 02:36 PM
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What the hell, dude???? You got a red tractor???
You're dead to me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 5500 mahidra, pound for pound it’s a dang good un. Hydraulics are slow on it though, always have been.
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: daniel white]
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03/14/20 06:13 PM
03/14/20 06:13 PM
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Clanton, AL
Out back
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Tractors are green.
Toys are red.
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
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03/14/20 08:47 PM
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Tractors are green.
Toys are red. 🤣🤣
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Re: 10 acre farm pond
[Re: strikeu]
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03/14/20 10:37 PM
03/14/20 10:37 PM
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Chelsea, AL
lefthorn
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As for feeders, they help get your bluegill up to breeding size faster. General recommendations are one feeder per 5 acres. However we classify them as a “level 2” recommendation. Lime,, fertilizing, harvest, and structure are “level 1” lefthorn, if I lime my pond does the fact that the water in my pond is constantly changing help or hurt? by that I mean I have so much runoff into my pond with large drain pipes--when it rains (as much as it has) that every time I have pretty much all new water in my pond. 2 inches of rain will make my pond rise roughly 20 inches, then drain off over the next 12-15 hours or so. what does that variable mean to a healthy pond? The amount of runoff you have correlates to how often you will have to lime.
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