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401k question
#3014308
01/15/20 01:29 PM
01/15/20 01:29 PM
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Just something that crossed my mind. If the company is willing to match me dollar for dollar up to 6% and 50 cents on the dollar for the next 4%. Why couldnt they just contribute that same amount of money to my 401k regardless if i only contribute 3% or nothing at all? Why the stipulations? Wouldn't it be the same difference to them?
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 01:30 PM
01/15/20 01:30 PM
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Beer Belly
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Just something that crossed my mind. If the company is willing to match me dollar for dollar up to 6% and 50 cents on the dollar for the next 4%. Why couldnt they just contribute that same amount of money to my 401k regardless if i only contribute 3% or nothing at all? Why the stipulations? Wouldn't it be the same difference to them? They are trying to encourage you to save $; tax free. Why would you complain about such a great deal?
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 01:33 PM
01/15/20 01:33 PM
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jmudler
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Just something that crossed my mind. If the company is willing to match me dollar for dollar up to 6% and 50 cents on the dollar for the next 4%. Why couldnt they just contribute that same amount of money to my 401k regardless if i only contribute 3% or nothing at all? Why the stipulations? Wouldn't it be the same difference to them? Cause only about 50% of people actually contribute to a 401k.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 01:33 PM
01/15/20 01:33 PM
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My work offers similar. We invest a total of 11% but will go up after we pay off student and car debts. It's free money and still will have a larger paycheck from debts being gone.
I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore I believe in work, hard work. -George Petrie (1945)
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 01:44 PM
01/15/20 01:44 PM
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jmudler
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Max out your 401K. especially in this market.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Re: 401k question
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01/15/20 01:48 PM
01/15/20 01:48 PM
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GKelly
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Max out your 401K. especially in this market. Trump is destroying our economy havent you heard? my 401k was doing fine and holding its value for the last 8 years under Obama now under Trump its turned out a 27% gain in 3 years. Its obviously a bubble just waiting to burst since he has no idea what hes doing.😂
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Re: 401k question
[Re: Beer Belly]
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01/15/20 02:01 PM
01/15/20 02:01 PM
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Just something that crossed my mind. If the company is willing to match me dollar for dollar up to 6% and 50 cents on the dollar for the next 4%. Why couldnt they just contribute that same amount of money to my 401k regardless if i only contribute 3% or nothing at all? Why the stipulations? Wouldn't it be the same difference to them? They are trying to encourage you to save $; tax free. Why would you complain about such a great deal? not really complaining, just wondering. But you kind of missed my point. When you're poor like me, you need that money from your paycheck. Not some money that may or not be there 20 years from now, if i even live that long. My company merged and changed some stuff up, mostly screwing the poorer people in the company, the one thing that did improve was the better 401k, which is alright for the 6 figure folks, but doesnt do much for me. Just wondering why they cant contribute that money to my retirement anyways. I know the reason, just curious what others think.
Last edited by goodman_hunter; 01/15/20 02:07 PM.
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 02:07 PM
01/15/20 02:07 PM
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Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
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They are complying with IRS regulations. You're required to contribute in order to obtain the matching funds. There's usually an option to contribute after tax dollars if you so choose, in order to withdraw your money early without penalties.
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 02:10 PM
01/15/20 02:10 PM
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Just something that crossed my mind. If the company is willing to match me dollar for dollar up to 6% and 50 cents on the dollar for the next 4%. Why couldnt they just contribute that same amount of money to my 401k regardless if i only contribute 3% or nothing at all? Why the stipulations? Wouldn't it be the same difference to them? They are trying to encourage you to save $; tax free. Why would you complain about such a great deal? not really complaining, just wondering. But you kind of missed my point. When you're poor like me, you need that money from your paycheck. Not some money that may or not be the 20 years from now, if i even live that long. My company merged and changed some stuff up, mostly screwing the poorer people in the company, the one thing that did improve was the better 401k, which is alright for the 6 figure folks, but doesnt do much for me. Just wondering why they cant contribute that money to my retirement anyways. I know the reason, just curious what others think. Not trying to preach to you but you better get your ducks in a row and start putting some money away for your retirement or you'll be poorer then than you are now. Social security may or may not be there for you when the time comes. It costs more to live in retirement than you think and having to live on only social security will not be a pleasant way to live
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 02:12 PM
01/15/20 02:12 PM
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When you're poor like me, you need that money from your paycheck. . We had that discussion at work quite a few years back and payroll ran the #'s. It was a minimum of 3% contribution to get in the program. When the payroll gal ran the #'s of your current take home pay, vs your take home pay when putting in the 3% which is tax deferred the weekly take home pay was withen $4. Almost unnoticeable.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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Re: 401k question
[Re: jmudler]
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01/15/20 02:16 PM
01/15/20 02:16 PM
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Semo
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Max out your 401K. especially in this market. I don't disagree about putting as much in as possible, but "the market" is getting a little frothy. Wish I had a pile to invest when we see the correction though.
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Re: 401k question
[Re: Turkey]
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01/15/20 02:18 PM
01/15/20 02:18 PM
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IRS regulations.
We offered a 401k with a match here for several years, but had to stop it because management was the only group contributing to it. The others that did contribute paid in up to our match, then paid the penalty and withdrew their money and the match quarterly. The regulations also require a certain percentage of your participants be outside of management. We fell below that percentage and had to stop the 401k and go to a Simple IRA. We still match, but few participate. I feel safe in assuming that you not not employing a group of rocket scientists
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Re: 401k question
[Re: Out back]
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01/15/20 02:20 PM
01/15/20 02:20 PM
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goodman_hunter
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They are complying with IRS regulations. You're required to contribute in order to obtain the matching funds. There's usually an option to contribute after tax dollars if you so choose, in order to withdraw your money early without penalties. I aint gonna lie, I was surprised you knew that
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Re: 401k question
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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01/15/20 02:20 PM
01/15/20 02:20 PM
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Trust me on this, retirement costs more than you plan for. You budget and you calculate and you think you got it all worked out. Then you need a new engine for a truck (oops didn't figure on that) and then your tractor fuel pump goes bad (oops didn't plan for that) and then the wife decides to update the kitchen (oops didn't plan on that) and etc, etc, etc. It never ends.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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