The prelim held today sheds a little more light on this case:

https://www.wsfa.com/2020/01/06/testimony-suspect-admitted-killing-lowndes-county-sheriff/

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.co...eals-new-info-night-shooting/2803758001/

Man, sad deal. Can't help but wonder if the sheriff had on a uniform or at least a badge or in a marked car if this wouldn't have happened.

I didn't realize he wasn't in uniform or wasn't in a marked car?

Was he, or not?

God Bless,
David B.

I don't see where you could justify the shooting regardless. If the little punk had any balls he would have (A) turned off his dumbass music, and (B) defended himself like a man.

That punk ass little bastard needs to be executed. You can bet he was thinking he was all high and mighty with his music all jacked up and his daddy being a deputy. I DESPISE this type of individual. AND if I'm a store owner and this type of crowd assembles I won't need law enforcement. Most likely I'll feel my life is in danger after I tell them to leave, they make their threats and then some of them will need the coroner.

Who justified it? I hope the boy fries. All I said is maybe it could have been avoided.

BOFF - the articles said no uniform, no badge, unmarked car, no use of lights on car.

That boy has a miserable future in front of him.........IF he stays alive in prison.
I can’t figure out where that attitude toward authority comes from. Sad times for two families.

I did not mean "you" in particular. I meant anyone.
Like when I used to tell my kids, "we need to clean our room". I actually didn't mean "we"!

I didn't see anything in the news reports of the hearing testimony that would establish self defense.


Nonetheless, this case would certainly make a good case study for law enforcement, kind of like aircraft pilots study accidents for accident prevention purposes.
Would recommend any LEO to do more to make clear to all they come into contact with in an official capacity to make crystal clear that they are law enforcement.

You just know this punk thug is going to claim he didn't know the sheriff was the sheriff and that all he saw and heard was a very big black man coming at him.

Thankfully, the news reports state that he clearly identified himself verbally as being the sheriff.
But some blue lights and a big visible badge may have helped dissuade the punk from shooting.
Don't know.

I am shocked the news reports don't mention what the defense lawyer would have surely asked the ABI case agent: "Didn't Mr. Johnson tell you........?"

Thats what ive been saying all along from what I gathered he was not in uniform or in a marked car when he tried to gain entry to the vehicle to turn the music down. Ive read several posts on hear of what some of you have said would happen if someone tried to force their way in your vehicle at a gas station. not condoning anything but a big guy like he was trying to get in your truck wearing jeans and a tshirt is a lot different than a uniformed officer doing the same thing.

Did it say that the video showed him try to gain entry?

the kids refused to turn the music down at which point he decided to reach in and turn it down for them is what ive been told now youd have to get most of your upper body inside the cab to reach the stereo of a lifted truck

either way im sure the jury will have made their minds up way before the trial as much publicity as its gotten

Told by who? Someone that was there?

Ive heard alot of different things its mostly hearsay but the most frequent things that are mentioned is he was not uniformed was not in a marked car and physically attempted to gain entry in order to control the stereo we just found out the first 2 things to be true I guess well have to wait and see about the other

Doesn't matter what you were told or heard - there was no such testimony at the prelim hearing today.

And the ABI agent testified that the sheriff was shot standing outside the perps truck.
And supposedly the surveillance video shows this.

If there was video evidence or witness testimony, including the perp's post arrest statements, that the sheriff reached into the truck when he was shot it would have surely come out at the hearing. At least it should have. I cannot imagine a defense lawyer not exploring that - or news media not reporting such a line of questioning. Especially given that big rumor.

So as it stands right now it appears that that rumor has been debunked.

******

Edit to add: just reaching into someone's vehicle under these circumstances would not give rise to legal self defense either.
Reaching for volume control of someone's car stereo does not constitute a threat of deadly force or serious bodily injury.

I would think that if Big John had reached into the truck that would have been testified to, but the testimony, as I understand it was He was shot as he approached the vehicle.
Sorry, I now see where WmHunter beat me to the punch on this.

I just wonder how the father can possibly be dealing with this? Does he feel at all responsible or did he wash his hands mentally from his punk ass son a long time ago?

I have seen lots of references to this kid's dad being a Montgomery County deputy but nothing more detailed than that. Did the boy live in the same home with the dad? It seems a little unusual to me that given the particular fact of being the child of a LEO that no reporter has brought forth anything else other than that one fact. Even when it seems insensitive or irrelevant, there is usually someone who puts out an article with more scoop on the family.

The girlfriends testimony may prove interesting as to what was said leading up to the confrontation. I agree that he should have been wearing something or shown something that identified him. As to the post about what someone would do if someone reached in their vehicle I’ve also heard plenty say that they would walk over to a thugs car and turn the radio themselves if they had it blaring. Williams was probably complacent with most people recognizing him when they saw him.

Well, well seems like i guessed right, even tho someone told me to stop.🤔 I'm not standing up for the kid but are they pressing charges on the sheriffs son for shooting at the kid and hitting one of the girls there? Kid never should had shot him and these conversations wouldn't be happening