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Re: Skyline WMA
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/17/19 07:31 AM
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Every big deer killed in AL is an escaped captive. That makes me laugh. They ain no nice deer in alabama...only big spikes and little spikes 
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: James]
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12/17/19 11:11 AM
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B'ham
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TN Deer genes if I had to guess. I am not saying we can't grow bigger deer in AL because we can. But we will have to change our habits. That's not the point.
TN can keep it's deer in TN bout like you can keep them on your property.... They are rutting on the other side of the mountain.
Nice kill. Congrats to this fella.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/17/19 11:16 AM
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Every big deer killed in AL is an escaped captive. That makes me laugh. where did all those monster bucks killed before high fences escape FROM????? 
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: BhamFred]
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12/17/19 11:54 AM
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Right behind you
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Every big deer killed in AL is an escaped captive. That makes me laugh. where did all those monster bucks killed before high fences escape FROM????? I’m not sure. I just scored two huge deer yesterday, and saw a local collection that included a 167, 172 and 190 that we’re all killed in the 90s and early 2000s. Guess they were escaped captives or TN deer too. Lol.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: James]
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12/17/19 12:07 PM
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B'ham
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If you want to kill a 120 inch deer you gotta let them see 3.5 just the same. We don't even do that around this State.
Help us out Matt. Help put an end to the "see deer, shoot deer" mentality you guys have bred with all this free range doe blasting y'all allow.
We can grow decent deer in this State, not 200 inchers but respectible deer..... but not under the current regs and bag limits.
I have a 170ish inch killed in Jefferson County hit by a car last year. Looked to be about a 5 year old nothing special just a healthy deer. The reason we don't have more 120+ inch deer running around this State is because they get shot.
Period. End of Story.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: Goatkiller]
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12/17/19 02:30 PM
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TN Deer genes if I had to guess. I am not saying we can't grow bigger deer in AL because we can. But we will have to change our habits. That's not the point.
TN can keep it's deer in TN bout like you can keep them on your property.... They are rutting on the other side of the mountain.
Nice kill. Congrats to this fella. The deer just North of Skyline / Hytop on Carter came from the deer released just South of the border which came from LA. I can show you a gross 180 that was one of the young bucks released at the second restocking of Skyline . Where did the big buck genes from Lower PRV come from, North and Central Sand Mt? Bout 6-8 years ago back to back Harbin deer contest winners came from central Sand Mt. How bout central Jackson County 15 miles either direction of Belfonte , they have some native genes in them , this was told to me by Chris Cook. Very few people knew there were a few native deer up and down the river before restocking. River people like commercial fishermen did.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: James]
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12/17/19 03:34 PM
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It is 32.4 miles from Winchester to Skyline. To think the genetic influence of deer stocked North of the State line on essentially the same mountain 50 years ago have not gone 30 miles is.... Well, Stoopid. Take special note to Figure 3 there 2Dogs. The influence from TN deer is all up and down the Valley IMO. I'll go with logic over some tall tale you herd: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/3RMdKDFj/251-C933-F-BDC2-4-FDB-BA32-20-CC5-CD6-E362.jpg)
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: Goatkiller]
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12/17/19 04:01 PM
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Right behind you
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It is 32.4 miles from Winchester to Skyline. To think the genetic influence of deer stocked North of the State line on essentially the same mountain 50 years ago have not gone 30 miles is.... Well, Stoopid. Take special note to Figure 3 there 2Dogs. The influence from TN deer is all up and down the Valley IMO. I'll go with logic over some tall tale you herd: Nobody in this thread suggested that deer haven’t moved 30 or even 50 miles. I certainly didn’t. But to think every big deer killed in AL is a descendent of a restocked deer from up north is even more well, what you said. There are Dang fine deer killed every year in this state, and a whole heck of a lot of them have been killed this year, that are nothing more than native deer with age. Some of the best deer killed every year are killed in counties with little to no restocking documented. I worked on Black Warrior WMA, where some of the best deer from the whole state are killed annually. They still have genetic influences from Michigan deer. But, you travel 100 miles in every direction and there’s deer equally as impressive killed that come from what God put here in AL. I remember why I quit wasting my time posting on this know it all board now. Y’all carry on. I’ve got meaningful things to do.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: James]
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12/17/19 05:01 PM
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Just so you guys know, my first post on this thread was of total sarcasm. Just so you know...
To GOD be All the glory!!!
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: James]
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12/17/19 05:03 PM
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Hey Mbrock, do you have any idea where the deer in SE Alabama were stocked from? I've always wondered.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: James]
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12/17/19 05:22 PM
12/17/19 05:22 PM
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B'ham
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Pump the brakes here just a dern minute: I never said that every big deer in this State was from Up North or somewhere else. Never even implied that. What I said was the deer from Skyline likely has some TN influence because they stocked deer with better genetics within 30 miles of where it was killed. There is no disagreement between us Mbrock. Alabama can grow respectable deer if they some how can make it to maturity. Your agency has made that unlikely. Where we disagree based on recent commentary is your agency believes shooting more "deer" leads to older age class bucks and I think that is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. 100% dumb as shait. But we went over that already. Here is what I said: TN Deer genes if I had to guess. I am not saying we can't grow bigger deer in AL because we can. But we will have to change our habits. That's not the point. We can grow decent deer in this State, not 200 inchers but respectible deer..... but not under the current regs and bag limits.
I have a 170ish inch killed in Jefferson County hit by a car last year. Looked to be about a 5 year old nothing special just a healthy deer. The reason we don't have more 120+ inch deer running around this State is because they get shot.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: Goatkiller]
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12/17/19 08:22 PM
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It is 32.4 miles from Winchester to Skyline. To think the genetic influence of deer stocked North of the State line on essentially the same mountain 50 years ago have not gone 30 miles is.... Well, Stoopid. Take special note to Figure 3 there 2Dogs. The influence from TN deer is all up and down the Valley IMO. I'll go with logic over some tall tale you herd: What tall tale , I posed facts, most from DCNR. Show me . That about 6 years ago a clean monster 5X4 was killed near Pisgah that was in the 170's ? There's been bucks killed in the city limits of Scottsboro bigger than the one this weekend from Skyline. You need to read the paragraph just above figure 3 , the part about where the state of Tennessee thinks the only area that still has Wisconsin gene influence is . Marion County is not a surrounding county of Cumberland and Morgan counties. Way my simple mind deciphers it is Tenn DCNR doesn't think there's still an influence in Marion and that's where a few were released. Do some research on the high end bucks out of the Cumberland and Morgan counties area, they are superior to Marion's offerings. That's the area Bobby Worthington killed some of the largest bow kills in the state.
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Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Skyline WMA
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/17/19 08:26 PM
12/17/19 08:26 PM
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Boxes Cove
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It is 32.4 miles from Winchester to Skyline. To think the genetic influence of deer stocked North of the State line on essentially the same mountain 50 years ago have not gone 30 miles is.... Well, Stoopid. Take special note to Figure 3 there 2Dogs. The influence from TN deer is all up and down the Valley IMO. I'll go with logic over some tall tale you herd: Nobody in this thread suggested that deer haven’t moved 30 or even 50 miles. I certainly didn’t. But to think every big deer killed in AL is a descendent of a restocked deer from up north is even more well, what you said. There are Dang fine deer killed every year in this state, and a whole heck of a lot of them have been killed this year, that are nothing more than native deer with age. Some of the best deer killed every year are killed in counties with little to no restocking documented. I worked on Black Warrior WMA, where some of the best deer from the whole state are killed annually. They still have genetic influences from Michigan deer. But, you travel 100 miles in every direction and there’s deer equally as impressive killed that come from what God put here in AL. I remember why I quit wasting my time posting on this know it all board now. Y’all carry on. I’ve got meaningful things to do. In the sample deer y'all have taken from Belfonte NP and the Jones Farm in Lower PRV, have you ever detected "Northern Genes"? Or any other locale for that matter where they can be traced to Marion County TN?
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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