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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
[Re: Acorn]
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11/21/19 10:20 AM
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#1 As far as grade logs with size , a lifetime. Poplar will grow pretty fast , but it's not a high value species . #2 Possible , yes, however, thinning a old hardwood clear cut for pulp , never heard of that one.
Good hardwood (oaks , walnuts) grows sloooooooow.
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
[Re: timbercruiser]
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11/21/19 06:50 PM
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Hardwood markets over the years have been a yo-yo market. It depends on what kind of a mill you have in your area and what their lumber sale is. I was in a hardwood veneer mill a few months ago and the top need was sweet gum logs, and that is a better growing hardwood. Veneer sweet gum, never heard of such, learned something. Sweet gum isn't hard to find up here, it's ties, pallet material and pulp though. What do they pay per 1,000 for a sweet gum peeler? What's it used for ?
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
[Re: Acorn]
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11/21/19 08:42 PM
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we are cuttin 25 year old hardwoods this year. On the right land for hardwoods I would say 20-25 years.
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/21/19 09:24 PM
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Heard $60+ per ton recently on hardwood logs. Only thing that was bringing more $$ was Class 1 poles.
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/21/19 09:28 PM
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Most folks dont understand how hardwoods grow. Its really dependent on the dirt they are growing in and the specie of the hardwood.
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/21/19 11:11 PM
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I know of sum natural growth hardwoods that's 15 years and will be about 20 more until any money is involved and a lot can develop during that time...if I was looking for any investment on wood it'd be pine planted
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
[Re: Skinny]
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11/22/19 06:12 AM
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Most folks dont understand how hardwoods grow. Its really dependent on the dirt they are growing in and the specie of the hardwood. You are correct, Sir. Up in the mountains it depends on soil and which direction on the mountain side it grows. North and East is where the good stuff grows , South is worst for growing good stuff. It is also species specific too. Poplar grows fast , oaks much slower. There are some spot in the mountains you can cut every 20 years for saw logs other places it'll take 40-60. Hardwood bottoms grow fast too, for obvious reasons , good soil and moisture.
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/22/19 06:15 AM
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Heard $60+ per ton recently on hardwood logs. Only thing that was bringing more $$ was Class 1 poles. Folks in LA selling hardwood saw logs by the ton are giving their logs away. Up here hardwood pulp will fetch $30ish a ton. That's for junk trees used to make cardboard boxes.
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/22/19 08:32 AM
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Heard $60+ per ton recently on hardwood logs. Only thing that was bringing more $$ was Class 1 poles. Folks in LA selling hardwood saw logs by the ton are giving their logs away. Up here hardwood pulp will fetch $30ish a ton. That's for junk trees used to make cardboard boxes. I think I got $10 a ton 8 or so years ago for pulp
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/23/19 07:15 AM
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Trees from stump sprouts have the advantage of a superior root system.
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/24/19 07:32 AM
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Heard $60+ per ton recently on hardwood logs. Only thing that was bringing more $$ was Class 1 poles. Folks in LA selling hardwood saw logs by the ton are giving their logs away. Up here hardwood pulp will fetch $30ish a ton. That's for junk trees used to make cardboard boxes. I think I got $10 a ton 8 or so years ago for pulp Y’all are comparing delivered prices to stumpage prices. Apples to oranges. Selling hardwood logs by the ton isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It just depends on your reachable markets and the quality of logs you have. I sold a bunch in the past for $60/ton that weren’t worth hauling hauling to a mill that stick scaled. I heard of a mill recently paying $200/ton for the right stuff. It’s all relative.
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Re: Natural hardwood regrowth
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11/24/19 09:30 AM
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Heard $60+ per ton recently on hardwood logs. Only thing that was bringing more $$ was Class 1 poles. Folks in LA selling hardwood saw logs by the ton are giving their logs away. Up here hardwood pulp will fetch $30ish a ton. That's for junk trees used to make cardboard boxes. I think I got $10 a ton 8 or so years ago for pulp Y’all are comparing delivered prices to stumpage prices. Apples to oranges. Selling hardwood logs by the ton isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It just depends on your reachable markets and the quality of logs you have. I sold a bunch in the past for $60/ton that weren’t worth hauling hauling to a mill that stick scaled. I heard of a mill recently paying $200/ton for the right stuff. It’s all relative. True , if there's no other choice than sell them by the ton that's what ya gotta do. There's several little yards in LA buy them by the ton , sort through them and send the better stuff North for a handsome profit. BrentM buys them from a couple fellers often. I always figured there was just not enough good hardwood saw timber in points South to justify someone going in and "bucking the system" . I hear the timber business in LA is a bigger good ol' boy system than it is up here.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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