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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: jwalker77]
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11/18/19 09:37 PM
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Y’all did see the other guys carted off the field Saturday right? Most athletes who go all out to make a play are more injury prone. Injuries are part of the game. You cannot deny that the guys has a heart for the game and wants to compete at a high level. Don’t be surprised if he proves a lot of people wrong in a few months. This could be the case. I dont think he knows how to take a hit. It looks to me like he tenses up and struggles against going down. I dont know if that makes sense. Jalen hurts almost looks like he goes limp when hes going down. I think jalen takes a hit alot better, or in a way that hes less likely to get hurt. Just something ive noticed about the two of them. Tua seems to fight it and get twisted around alot. Jalen delivers the blow most of the time. He also runs a lot more than Tua. Tua creates plays with his legs, but running isn't nor should it be his first priority. If my memory serves me right, most of his injuries have come with him trying to extend plays out of the pocket. Sometimes, you gotta get rid of it and live to fight another down
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: jwalker77]
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Y’all did see the other guys carted off the field Saturday right? Most athletes who go all out to make a play are more injury prone. Injuries are part of the game. You cannot deny that the guys has a heart for the game and wants to compete at a high level. Don’t be surprised if he proves a lot of people wrong in a few months. This could be the case. I dont think he knows how to take a hit. It looks to me like he tenses up and struggles against going down. I dont know if that makes sense. Jalen hurts almost looks like he goes limp when hes going down. I think jalen takes a hit alot better, or in a way that hes less likely to get hurt. Just something ive noticed about the two of them. Tua seems to fight it and get twisted around alot. Been telling folks this for a while. Hard to explain but he falls awkwardly or something. Hope he recovers and makes millions
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: GomerPyle]
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11/18/19 09:49 PM
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I keep seeing a lot of this on Facebook, twitter, overheard in conversation, etc............Everyone (average Joe's) keep saying that it will scare off NFL teams, even if he makes a full recovery. I saw an article yesterday, though, from a form NFL scout who says otherwise.
According to this guy, every injury the guy has had has been a freak thing....ankles getting rolled up on, having 2 guys fall on him and landing weirdly causing a hip to dislocate, etc. It's not like he was just running and pulled up lame with an injury. These have all been common injuries that happen to players all the time, he's just been unfortunate enough to have them all happen to him. If you want to make the argument that he hangs onto the ball too long or needs to learn more when to slide, then that's a different discussion.
But, according to this guy (who would know better than 99.99% of people speculating, including the various media idiots on TV), assuming Tua makes a complete recovery, none of his injury history will hurt his NFL prospects.
I said this weeks ago when people on this site started that narrative. NFL scouts, owners, analysts and etc have came out numerous times stating that the ankle injuries are things that happen to athletes and now they say that the hip was a freak thing...which it was. Tua isn’t going to be any more “injury prone” than half of the starting quarterbacks in the nfl over the recent years. “Injury prone” Tua became a starter, what, 24 games ago? Someone please enlighten me on how many starts he’s missed over those 24 games. I’ll wait.
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: GomerPyle]
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11/18/19 09:54 PM
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One thing to consider too is that he, and all other QBs in the NFL, are protected to a level that they don't get in college.
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: jwalker77]
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11/18/19 09:59 PM
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Y’all did see the other guys carted off the field Saturday right? Most athletes who go all out to make a play are more injury prone. Injuries are part of the game. You cannot deny that the guys has a heart for the game and wants to compete at a high level. Don’t be surprised if he proves a lot of people wrong in a few months. This could be the case. I dont think he knows how to take a hit. It looks to me like he tenses up and struggles against going down. I dont know if that makes sense. Jalen hurts almost looks like he goes limp when hes going down. I think jalen takes a hit alot better, or in a way that hes less likely to get hurt. Just something ive noticed about the two of them. Tua seems to fight it and get twisted around alot. Ya’ll remember that Jalen had the same ankle injury and procedure that Tua had, right? I think Crenshaw has a good point in the fact that Hurts is usually the one delivering his hits. With that being said, Jalen Hurts is a physically gifted freak athlete, unlike most quarterbacks. Tua is built like most quarterbacks, good enough shape but not gonna wow the scouts when he takes his shirt off. His added mobility is something that should be secondary. He is a surgeon when throwing the ball- I would stick with that.
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: crenshawco]
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11/18/19 10:09 PM
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Y’all did see the other guys carted off the field Saturday right? Most athletes who go all out to make a play are more injury prone. Injuries are part of the game. You cannot deny that the guys has a heart for the game and wants to compete at a high level. Don’t be surprised if he proves a lot of people wrong in a few months. This could be the case. I dont think he knows how to take a hit. It looks to me like he tenses up and struggles against going down. I dont know if that makes sense. Jalen hurts almost looks like he goes limp when hes going down. I think jalen takes a hit alot better, or in a way that hes less likely to get hurt. Just something ive noticed about the two of them. Tua seems to fight it and get twisted around alot. Jalen delivers the blow most of the time. He also runs a lot more than Tua. Tua creates plays with his legs, but running isn't nor should it be his first priority. If my memory serves me right, most of his injuries have come with him trying to extend plays out of the pocket. Sometimes, you gotta get rid of it and live to fight another down I agree
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: GomerPyle]
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11/18/19 11:59 PM
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The ankle is not the thing to worry about with Tua's future. The ball joint in the hip going dead from a lack of blood is a real thing. I can't remember what percentage the doctor that put my wife's hip back together told me it was, but it was significant. They watch for it closely and can deal with it when it happens in most cases, but a premier athlete is not the normal case. He has to be able to do more than just walk again.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: jawbone]
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11/19/19 07:50 AM
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The ankle is not the thing to worry about with Tua's future. The ball joint in the hip going dead from a lack of blood is a real thing. I can't remember what percentage the doctor that put my wife's hip back together told me it was, but it was significant. They watch for it closely and can deal with it when it happens in most cases, but a premier athlete is not the normal case. He has to be able to do more than just walk again. They've already addressed that part and said they don't think that will be an issue because the medical staff at the stadium addressed it onsite (I think they referred to it as "reducing" the hip). With Bo Jacksons injury, that wasn't the case, they apparently waited until they got him to the hospital and by then the damage was done.
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: GomerPyle]
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11/19/19 09:11 AM
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The ankle is not the thing to worry about with Tua's future. The ball joint in the hip going dead from a lack of blood is a real thing. I can't remember what percentage the doctor that put my wife's hip back together told me it was, but it was significant. They watch for it closely and can deal with it when it happens in most cases, but a premier athlete is not the normal case. He has to be able to do more than just walk again. They've already addressed that part and said they don't think that will be an issue because the medical staff at the stadium addressed it onsite (I think they referred to it as "reducing" the hip). With Bo Jacksons injury, that wasn't the case, they apparently waited until they got him to the hospital and by then the damage was done. According to my wife's doctor, early treatment helps prevent the loss of blood flow, but they really don't know for a couple of weeks or longer. That is why even after she was released there were vital follow up visits for this exact reason. There is no doubt that he will be very closely monitored for this and all that can be done to prevent it will be done, which is really nothing but prayer. If this happens to him, it will be caught early I'm sure. I wish I could remember the medical name for it, but I can't.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: GomerPyle]
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11/19/19 10:07 AM
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The ankle is not the thing to worry about with Tua's future. The ball joint in the hip going dead from a lack of blood is a real thing. I can't remember what percentage the doctor that put my wife's hip back together told me it was, but it was significant. They watch for it closely and can deal with it when it happens in most cases, but a premier athlete is not the normal case. He has to be able to do more than just walk again. They've already addressed that part and said they don't think that will be an issue because the medical staff at the stadium addressed it onsite (I think they referred to it as "reducing" the hip). With Bo Jacksons injury, that wasn't the case, they apparently waited until they got him to the hospital and by then the damage was done. No, Bo's wasn't a complete dislocation. Bo had a subluxation (partial dislocation), and the femur ball popped back into the socket on its own. He thought he'd just twisted his hip, therefore he/they didn't properly attend to the hip for a week. In that time, there was virtually no blood flow to the bone and cartilage around Bo's hip socket, and it died. People keep trying to tie the two injuries together, but there are way too many differences to say they are similar. Let's also not forget that we're talking about nearly 30 years worth of medical advances. That doesn't mean that there isn't still some danger regarding blood flow to the region for Tua. But, from what I've read, people who have the hip reduced and medically attended to within 6 hours of the injury have less than a 5-10% of necrosis. But, there's always that chance.
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Re: Tua is "Fragile" or "Injury Prone"
[Re: joshm28]
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11/19/19 01:33 PM
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I was watching the game with an ortho surgeon and a couple physical therapist Saturday. It made for an interesting discussion. Given the severity of the injury, which wasn't known at the time, I wonder if them standing him up on the field was wise. Just a thought that came to mind as I watched it in real time.
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