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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2960116
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Ikillbux, do you feel better now? :)I’m confused. Are you irritated with people that daily allow the love of Christ to work through them and their actions or do you trust people that are self centered and “doesn’t love their neighbor more than themselves”? Promise I’m not being a smart tale. I don’t get what you’re saying.

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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2960175
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There’s a lack of empathy that’s rampant in today’s society which prevents people from being happy for someone else. It’s not just hunting. One person that can’t imagine how someone else could be happy doing something other than the way they see fit.


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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: globe] #2960190
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Originally Posted by globe
There’s a lack of empathy that’s rampant in today’s society which prevents people from being happy for someone else. It’s not just hunting. One person that can’t imagine how someone else could be happy doing something other than the way they see fit.


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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2960197
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Originally Posted by red neck richie
Why do some obsess over those who want to use a long bow or a compound or a crossbow? Why do they obsess over what caliber gun others are using?Why do they obsess over food plots or corn or baiting in general? Why do yall obsess on the way people choose to hunt?


The short answer to this is "Because a lot of people just plain suck"

you can go into detail as much as you like, as some others in the thread have, but it all just points back to ^^^^^


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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: Booger] #2961039
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Originally Posted by Booger
Ikillbux, do you feel better now? :)I’m confused. Are you irritated with people that daily allow the love of Christ to work through them and their actions or do you trust people that are self centered and “doesn’t love their neighbor more than themselves”? Promise I’m not being a smart tale. I don’t get what you’re saying.


thumbup no, no, I see what you're asking. But (in my estimation) it has nothing to do with the love of Christ. Also neither person is right or wrong, it's simply a personality difference. I know tons of folks, even folks on this site, who have never darkened the doors of a church or have any relationship with Christ, yet they're humble and serving and just enjoy doing for others. One of my closest friends is this way, he is absolutely over the moon about all things "kids", he hosts NWTF youth events, constantly (CONSTANTLY!!!!) takes kids hunting and bugs the crap out of us about doing it too, and he always (ALWAYS!!!!!!!) says two common things that you'll see said on here often: (1) I'd rather see someone else shoot a deer than shoot one myself, (2) I don't care if I see a deer or not, I just enjoy being out there and the fellowship. This is a guy who has hardly killed any deer himself (so it's not because he's made it to the top of the hunting ladder and now wants to give back), he's just "that way". He's also a cussing machine and doesn't exhibit anything "Christlike", I don't guess he's ever set foot in church (I know his whole family, none of them have ever been in church). It's just his genetic disposition, he's the same way about fishing. And without fail, these same personality types "like to eat deer meat, and you can't eat the horns"....he has no standards.

Because of that, he and I don't hunt well together, I would NEVER join him in a lease or club. I'm not wrong, he's not right or wrong, we just enjoy different parts of the hobby. I'm older, my children are grown and gone. And I guess I'm just evil and selfish, but I actually have never lost my own personal desire to see and kill deer. It's literally the definition of HUNTING, if you aren't seeing deer and shooting them, you aren't hunting. I dunno, I just like hunting, it's why I started it as a tiny kid, and why I still like it. If I just wanted to fellowship and be in the woods, I could take up hiking, camping, and photography. (I'm being funny, not a smart tail grin)


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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2961059
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10-4. I see what you’re saying. It’s the truth. I absolutely love helping others kill deer and turkey. However, I limit who and how many I take to my honey holes. What you said makes perfect sense. I personally hunt 4 different pieces of property. 2 are private and 2 are clubs. I take folks to my clubs first. My turkey hunting spots get limited guest hunts. Good post.

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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2961065
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Now I don't really know why folks bicker and condemn others about things like which weapon, that's petty and pointless. I can make some humorous comparisons, but they aren't hills I would die on.... like the "vertical bow vs crossbow" argument. But I can see why there are arguments out there about deer management (for lack of a better term). I don't care what they say about the decline in hunting, that's total BS to me.... it might be somewhere in the country, but it DANG sure ain't in the south. I've hunted all over Alabama since the 80's and I've never seen so many people hunting. Lease prices are insane because the demand is insane. My point is competition has become worse, and we're much more connected and crowded than we've ever been. So as crazy as it sounds, what you do DOES affect others. We have extended seasons because select locales wanted it. We have point restrictions on WMAs now because indiscriminate harvests have resulted in SHITTY (forgive my profanity, but it's the word that best describes it) herd balances and/or overall numbers. And just in general, the vast majority of Alabamians have a much worse hunting experience today than ever before, all because indiscriminate harvests and free-willy ideals have ruined it. You simply cannot have "if it's brown it's down" for two generations and sustain it.

So where am I going with that rant? I'm in northeast AL, so is the guy in Mobile county REALLY bothering me at all with what he kills? Is the guy on the Tennessee line REALLY bothering me? No, not directly. But by extension, ultimately even if some years down the road, rules get made that affect ME. (refer back to my first post on page 1 about "people really don't care until it affects THEM") So a lot of times when I read social media arguments between hunters, what I sense is at the root of it is one guy saying to other, "Hey buddy, be careful, have bigger and higher ideals, because I've got 20 more years of experience than you and I see where the last 20 years got us."

And again, crossbows aren't bowhunting! laugh grin

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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: ikillbux] #2961095
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Originally Posted by ikillbux
Now I don't really know why folks bicker and condemn others about things like which weapon, that's petty and pointless. I can make some humorous comparisons, but they aren't hills I would die on.... like the "vertical bow vs crossbow" argument. But I can see why there are argument s out there about deer management (for lack of a better term). I don't care what they say about the decline in hunting, that's total BS to me.... it might be somewhere in the country, but it DANG sure ain't in the south. I've hunted all over Alabama since the 80's and I've never seen so many people hunting. Lease prices are insane because the demand is insane. My point is competition has become worse, and we're much more connected and crowded than we've ever been. So as crazy as it sounds, what you do DOES affect others. We have extended seasons because select locales wanted it. We have point restrictions on WMAs now because indiscriminate harvests have resulted in SHITTY (forgive my profanity, but it's the word that best describes it) herd balances and/or overall numbers. And just in general, the vast majority of Alabamians have a much worse hunting experience today than ever before, all because indiscriminate harvests and free-willy ideals have ruined it. You simply cannot have "if it's brown it's down" for two generations and sustain it.

So where am I going with that rant? I'm in northeast AL, so is the guy in Mobile county REALLY bothering me at all with what he kills? Is the guy on the Tennessee line REALLY bothering me? No, not directly. But by extension, ultimately even if some years down the road, rules get made that affect ME. (refer back to my first post on page 1 about "people really don't care until it affects THEM") So a lot of times when I read social media arguments between hunters, what I sense is at the root of it is one guy saying to other, "Hey buddy, be careful, have bigger and higher ideals, because I've got 20 more years of experience than you and I see where the last 20 years got us."

But again, crossbows aren't bowhunting! laugh grin

There is no place in the state that is not being hunted or sought after to be hunted. High lease prices are forcing clubs to sign on too many hunters for their acreage. Same thing is happening with fishing. There are more people out there than I have ever seen or dreamed there could be. Not that long ago, I could go flounder gigging and not see another person all night. Now it looks like an airport runway there are so many people out there and after way less flounder. And that is just one example. Try to find a spot on the beach where you can set up during the pompano run or a place on Grenada from February through November where you can't see a dozen spider riggers at once. All of the holier than thou finger pointing and shaming about how someone else is hunting is only going to get worse from here. Having said all of that, I don't think any of you should shame yourselves by using corn. I will do it and you can all tell me about my lack of woodsmanship.

Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2961102
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Originally Posted by red neck richie
Why do some obsess over those who want to use a long bow or a compound or a crossbow? Why do they obsess over what caliber gun others are using?Why do they obsess over food plots or corn or baiting in general? Why do yall obsess on the way people choose to hunt?


'cause this is SERIOUS deer talk & we take this chit seriously ... respect the game, give everything a sportin' chance, and criticize others for not doing it the way you would do it ... sounds like a great format for a hunting discussion board ...

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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: BamaGuitarDude] #2961107
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Originally Posted by BamaGuitarDude
Originally Posted by red neck richie
Why do some obsess over those who want to use a long bow or a compound or a crossbow? Why do they obsess over what caliber gun others are using?Why do they obsess over food plots or corn or baiting in general? Why do yall obsess on the way people choose to hunt?


'cause this is SERIOUS deer talk & we take this chit seriously ... respect the game, give everything a sportin' chance, and criticize others for not doing it the way you would do it ... sounds like a great format for a hunting discussion board ...

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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2961109
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LOL yup - a classic ... in ALL seriousness, i remember joining ALDeer & laying eyes on "SERIOUS Deer Talk" & thinking to myself, "Oh boy, this oughta be good" ... & it has been HA!


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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: red neck richie] #2961112
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I'm not sure all the people are obsessing. There are some concerns that the methods one uses to hunt can lead to either a decrease in the acceptance of hunting across the human population and methods can also be deleterious to the targeted animal population. Baiting is one of those methods that can be extremely polarizing. Hard core trout fishermen hate barbs and probably me the most when I troll large cranks. I really dislike those that shoot small caliber guns (under 243) because it takes more skill to have an effective/humane kill with those guns and most aren't that good. There are some real consequences to methods chosen.

I am very disappointed in my dealings with snobby hunters, but equally put off by the real slobs out there. Both can do harm to the continuation of consumptive methods of management of our game species. The nation is changing and if there isn't some self-policing I don't think any of us are going to like the outcome. If you guys think you have the support inside state agencies that existed 20 years ago I've got a bridge to sell you.

By the way...I'm sure I've probably been considered both a snobby hunter and a slob hunter. I guess people are right. I don't care what people shoot, but just that they don't waste the animal/or lose it.

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Originally Posted by red neck richie
Why do some obsess over those who want to use a long bow or a compound or a crossbow? Why do they obsess over what caliber gun others are using?Why do they obsess over food plots or corn or baiting in general? Why do yall obsess on the way people choose to hunt?

because everyone thinks the way they do things is the only correct and proper way of doing them and everyone else must follow suite or they are messing up. same logic liberals use applied to deer hunting

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Re: Why the obsession on how others hunt? [Re: daylate] #2961233
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Originally Posted by daylate
Originally Posted by ikillbux
Now I don't really know why folks bicker and condemn others about things like which weapon, that's petty and pointless. I can make some humorous comparisons, but they aren't hills I would die on.... like the "vertical bow vs crossbow" argument. But I can see why there are argument s out there about deer management (for lack of a better term). I don't care what they say about the decline in hunting, that's total BS to me.... it might be somewhere in the country, but it DANG sure ain't in the south. I've hunted all over Alabama since the 80's and I've never seen so many people hunting. Lease prices are insane because the demand is insane. My point is competition has become worse, and we're much more connected and crowded than we've ever been. So as crazy as it sounds, what you do DOES affect others. We have extended seasons because select locales wanted it. We have point restrictions on WMAs now because indiscriminate harvests have resulted in SHITTY (forgive my profanity, but it's the word that best describes it) herd balances and/or overall numbers. And just in general, the vast majority of Alabamians have a much worse hunting experience today than ever before, all because indiscriminate harvests and free-willy ideals have ruined it. You simply cannot have "if it's brown it's down" for two generations and sustain it.

So where am I going with that rant? I'm in northeast AL, so is the guy in Mobile county REALLY bothering me at all with what he kills? Is the guy on the Tennessee line REALLY bothering me? No, not directly. But by extension, ultimately even if some years down the road, rules get made that affect ME. (refer back to my first post on page 1 about "people really don't care until it affects THEM") So a lot of times when I read social media arguments between hunters, what I sense is at the root of it is one guy saying to other, "Hey buddy, be careful, have bigger and higher ideals, because I've got 20 more years of experience than you and I see where the last 20 years got us."

But again, crossbows aren't bowhunting! laugh grin

There is no place in the state that is not being hunted or sought after to be hunted. High lease prices are forcing clubs to sign on too many hunters for their acreage. Same thing is happening with fishing. There are more people out there than I have ever seen or dreamed there could be. Not that long ago, I could go flounder gigging and not see another person all night. Now it looks like an airport runway there are so many people out there and after way less flounder. And that is just one example. Try to find a spot on the beach where you can set up during the pompano run or a place on Grenada from February through November where you can't see a dozen spider riggers at once. All of the holier than thou finger pointing and shaming about how someone else is hunting is only going to get worse from here. Having said all of that, I don't think any of you should shame yourselves by using corn. I will do it and you can all tell me about my lack of woodsmanship.


I also notice it worse in fishing. We fished Wedowee this past weekend, middle of November, hunting season is open and it's youth weekend, freezing cold, and it looked like the first warm weekend in March out there with so many boats. They had a doggone high school tournament with apparently tons of boats, plus all of the ramps we went by had lots of trucks/trailers. I mean, good grief!!!! It seems like just a couple of years ago by now you'd have the lake to yourself. Folks who say "there are less hunters/fishermen" can go take a flying leap slap


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