LOL! I read you like a book. I said you would delve of into a side issue again to avoid disputing the facts in my last post and here you go. Cause it's all you can do. And yes my earlier post was indeed an analogy. They come in all shapes and sizes.

Are you allowed to drive on the highway? Are you older than 12? Green patches are "placed" in specific locations just like any other bait. The fact that you will not even concede that simple point proves that you will just say anything to avoid admitting you are wrong.

Still waiting to hear how sitting over a green patch is ethical while sitting over a feeder would not be.

LOL! I addressed your opinions (not facts). might want to check again on your idea of an analogy. You seem to have trouble with understanding both analogies and facts. You must have slept through English class too many times

lol so who wants to go hunting...

No you didn't. You tried to make a ridiculous meaningless distinction between planting a patch and placing it somewhere that made no sense or difference on the map of any sane mind.

And I understand facts well. Just haven't heard anything that even resembles one from you.

How is sitting over a green patch more ethical than sitting over a feeder? How does one require more skill than the other? Since both are basically just sitting on your @$$ over bait with a weapon what makes one a great feat of skill and the other an example of slob hunting?

Don't worry, I know you have no answers to those questions. Well none that you would admit in your current state of self delusional denial.

Truedouble, I'll have to say you remind me of my 6 year old daughter arguing a point that she knows she is wrong about. You don't place foodplots???? That is crazy. How about the person who places sawtooth oaks, then when they produce hunts over them. How is that not baiting?
Ahhhhh, but we all know climbing into a climate controlled shooting house complete with mini-bar and tv, then watching a lush food plot planted for the sole purpose of attracting deer so they can be judged, then shot......now that is hunting.

The insults are great. keep them coming

Look I'm tired of giving you a lesson in English and telling you that your facts are really just opinions so I'll close out by saying the following.

I'll concede that the definition of bait is relative. To me bait is something already made that is put in a bag that can be poured or "placed on the ground" for immediate results (corn, Cmeerdeer, etc.). A foodplot is grown not placed and can be and often is used as a way to attract deer to an area and in my opinion is different than bait, by definition, by it's benefits to wildlife as well as how much it actually helps in regards to killing deer. The #1 argument by baiters is it's no different than other foodsources but that is an opinion based on your definition of bate and not a fact.

at what point are you hunting without any aid?

I guess in your case the acorn didn't fall far from the tree. Pot, meet Kettle

For the sake of argument, who says "hey let's go place some trees to day, or even better how about placing some foodplots? The method of delivery is the difference. I bet your 6 year old could have figured that out though.

and to Todd, even if the discussion was about "skill" which it isn't, how much skill is required to kill a deer anyway? 90% of killing deer or at least good deer is hunting on good land. A lot more knowledge and skill involved with improving habitat and stand locations. The sitting, waiting and killing is the easy part. Just makes it easier though if you have a pile of corn in the middle of the woods 10 yds from your stand.

so foodplots arnt placed??? wth lol

And until someone can find a fact based counter to that argument it remains a pretty good one. There is no ethical difference. And no one has been able to explain one in any of the 20 times this subject has come up since I've been a member here.

All you hear is talk about how green patches are more nutritious or harder to plant. A point that isn't necessarily true in most cases but even if you conceded that point, (which I don't) what difference does that make from an ethical standpoint? That's like saying it's OK to hunt at night with Brand A spotlights because they are of a higher quality and harder to find than Brand B spotlights. What difference does that make in the nature of the activity you are engaged in?

Besides having no relevance to the question at hand it isn't even true in most cases. I'll concede that most people probably wouldn't load a feeder with anything but corn. And I realize there are some guys on here that plant their patches with these high dollar Biologic type blends of seeds. But trust me when I tell you that they are the exception and not the norm. Most people plant simple rye grass or winter wheat. Not exactly packed with nutrition. And I can point you to bags of stuff that can be slung from a feeder that will provide waaaay more vitamins, minerals, protein and essential nutrition than any green patch.

Yeah, cause it's way tougher to kill one with a 30-06 sitting 10 yards off a green patch. That's a much tougher shot just because there is a different type of bait on the ground.

I swear, the more I talk to some people on the internet the more it makes me scared to drive on the same highway with these people.

LOL! He is a fountain of ridiculous logic isn't he?

Look dude, ya just plain stupid if you don't
know the difference between food plots, white oaks
and corn piles. And yer just another redneck goob
if you think hunting over corn piles is ethical or sportsmanlike.

Then explain the difference ethically since it's so simple?

nope, planted. you can "place a foodplot all day long if your definition of placing is taking a dozer and clearing out a spot, but you will not have a foodplot until you plant something. Now you could place a bag of corn in a "placed clearing" but that would just be a bait pile.

All I can say is that I'm glad you are on the other side of this debate cause with logic like this you aren't helping your team. LOL!

Just for the sake of continuing to make you look like a fool, I know plenty of folks who "placed" sawtooth oaks for the sole purpose of shooting deer under them. Heck, the State actually gave them away a few years ago. In fact I can take you to a place now where the former Conservation Director hunted and show you oak trees planted just for the purpose of shooting deer.

I'd like to see you call some of my Texan friends un-ethical.
Alabama has to be the national refuge for narrow minded people.

Good grief man.......So corn is instant bait and oats and rye are bait 7-10 days later when they sprout. Got it.