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Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/10/19 12:41 PM
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Do you see there being a difference in the two?..............Should wildlife managers be “farming” for wildlife and mimicking what the farmer does? Is that the best approach to managing wildlife plots in your opinion?
Just for a couple examples to scratch the surface and get the conversation started....The thread on hairy vetch got me to thinking about this.....If hairy vetch is a bad option for the farmer....then is it also a bad option for the wildlife manager?....Should we approach "weeds" the same way the farmer does? If the farmer says pigweed or thistle is bad....then is it also bad for the wildlife manager?
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/10/19 01:27 PM
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Similar , yet different, I'd say kinda like managing beef cattle V milk cattle. They're both cattle , some things would be the same , some different.
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/10/19 07:06 PM
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Hairy vetch isn’t bad for farmers, it depends on what your goals are and how you manage it. I like to use it as a companion with clover and rye or oats to make a mulch for no till vegetables and corn but to wheat and strawberry farmers it’s a weed that needs to be eliminated as to your larger point i don’t manage my food plots as intensely as cash crops but do give them a fighting chance, a few weeds don’t upset me unless it’s pigweed. I’m beginning to believe cover is more important for me to others food may be more important.
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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Hairy vetch isn’t bad for farmers, it depends on what your goals are and how you manage it. I like to use it as a companion with clover and rye or oats to make a mulch for no till vegetables and corn but to wheat and strawberry farmers it’s a weed that needs to be eliminated as to your larger point i don’t manage my food plots as intensely as cash crops but do give them a fighting chance, a few weeds don’t upset me unless it’s pigweed. I’m beginning to believe cover is more important for me to others food may be more important. Pigweed can be a pain in the butt but everywhere I've ever had it, the deer loved it, especially if its in a fertilized plot. First time I realized deer ate it was in a chufa plot. Every time I checked on the chufas, there were deer in the plot. I eventually realized they were browsing on the pigweed
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/10/19 07:32 PM
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Clarify. There’s redroot pigweed. Not so bad. Then there’s Palmer pigweed. Public enemy #1. It’s from the devil himself.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/10/19 07:53 PM
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Clarify. There’s redroot pigweed. Not so bad. Then there’s Palmer pigweed. Public enemy #1. It’s from the devil himself. Yep. I feel the same way about ragweed I know deer will browse but I can’t even breathe when I see that stuff.
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/10/19 08:25 PM
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Clarify. There’s redroot pigweed. Not so bad. Then there’s Palmer pigweed. Public enemy #1. It’s from the devil himself. Its redroot pigweed. I'm not a fan, but we have it in summer plots. We try to control it but every plant I see has been browsed on by deer. I'd damn sure trade our sickle pod for it and be real happy
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/11/19 01:23 PM
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My idea of managing food plots has changed tremendously over the last decade and its still evolving even now. I see there being a lot of similarities in what we do as wildlife managers compared to the farmer but I see a lot of differences as well. One of the biggest differences is that the farmer likes everything to be nice and neat….while the food plot manager would probably benefit from just the opposite….even though many folks still want to mimic the neat clean fields of the farmer. I’m far enough along in my soil rebuilding process that I think I can probably grow a pretty decent field by simply broadcasting my seed before a good rain. All of the conditions and variables of my field should set up well for that. What I’m looking at now is incorporating “structure” into my food plots instead of having them be bare open circles. 2dogs and others compared deer to fish in one of the other recent threads and talked about how each one liked to use structure. However, how many of us are making food plots that mimic a pond that’s nothing but a bare clean circle….like for watering cattle. Is that how you would set up a killer bass pond? I think I’m gonna try leaving the “structure” this year……….
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/11/19 01:57 PM
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Harold, I thought a couple years ago you left some strips of dog fennel in your plot behind your house, but you noticed that the deer didn't like being in it with their head down. Or am I remembering that wrong? You leaving strips this year or just a screen around it? You’re right… I forgot about that. For whatever reason….the grain inside the strips did not get browsed as hard as the open areas. I attributed it to them feeling vulnerable as prey….kinda like a turkey does....and preferring a little space between them and the thick areas where they could be ambushed when they had their heads down. I’m just sitting here thinking though…the pic of those deer is twenty yards in front of my stand…..If I go mow all of that cover down and open it up….would he still walk that same line afterwards?....Likely not. I was thinking about just filling the hopper up on the tractor and broadcasting seed in amongst all of it…trying to avoid taking down the dog fennel and other plants that are giving the field some structure. I have dead hay across the whole field just under knee high that should protect the seed and create a greenhouse effect underneath. I think there’s enough light getting through for the grain to establish and once it does the deer will beat down the rest of the hay. I do wonder if they’ll feel as secure feeding in it though now that you mention that other experiment.
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/11/19 06:21 PM
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I’ve got an idea Blum…….Now that baiting is legal anyways……I’m gonna mix in a couple hundred pounds of corn with a couple hundred pounds of seed and use the deer to help me plant. About to plant my field using dgallow’s mob grazing technique he uses with cattle. The deer should beat down the hay and hoof my seed into the soil enough to get things established. Watch this!!!
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/13/19 04:02 PM
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If we had to go back to tillage in farming they’d all quit. If I had to go back to tillage in deer plots I’d quit hunting. Tillage is needed in some spots in some cases but not wall to wall like the old days. And even zone tillage is about all we’ll do
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Re: Farming Ag Fields vs Managing Wildlife Plots
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10/13/19 08:45 PM
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The biggest problem I see that wildlife managers make is to try to do something on thier property that they saw on TV or read in QDMA that somebody is doing in Illinois or Iowa. This is spot on here ^^^^^^^^ Something else I see happening a lot too is that everyone of these videos or ads selling seed and equipment are always filmed on some plot on some high dollar farm that has the best dirt in four counties. They show the process and then present the results as if it were all because they used the “Plotmaster 3000” or the “Big Buck Seed Blend”….$29.99 retail……..When in actuality, the results were far more due to the great natural dirt they were plotting in. Folks watch them and then try to replicate it on their old worn out sand pits thinking that the plotmaster 3000 or big buck blend is all they need to grow plots just the same. It’s a bit of a sham. Let’s take those same products and go film a few episodes at a random hunting club on a random food plot like most folks are actually dealing with. Now that I might be excited to see the results of.
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