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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: James]
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08/27/19 08:40 AM
08/27/19 08:40 AM
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Montgomery, AL
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Doctors are being prosecuted is by the feds for over prescribing opioids. There have been probably a dozen in the northern district of Alabama in the last couple of years. Been several down this way also. Still amazes me that people put that much time, money in building a career only to flush it down the toilet. Yep - I don’t get it.
"The struggle you're in today, is developing the strength you need for tomorrow."
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: Powpow65]
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08/27/19 08:46 AM
08/27/19 08:46 AM
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blount county alabama
jwalker77
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There was a huge ruling against J & J for half billion dollars.
Can’t help but think this law suit will result in companies refusing to make any opioid pain meds for fear of being sued. My friend, you have found the answer to the problem. But this wont happen because there is way too much money in keeping our country addicted to prescription meds. You are exactly right though. Just imagine how much better off our country would be if the opium poppy suddenly went extinct. No more addiction to opiods, no more overdoses. The pharm companies would have to come up with a pain pill that actually helps. It would certainly be a better day. Cocaine and meth are not available by a Dr prescription. If there is a demand for it it will find it's way here no matter what Cocaine is not a really easy problem to fix, ill agree with you there but perscription opiates and meth could be stopped tomorrow if our govt wanted to stop them. It takes ephedrine to make meth, do a little studying and see where all of that is coming from. It would be very easy to stop meth. Opioids would be even easier. Our govt bans chemicals every day. Once the supply runs out, there will never be any more. Do a little studying about what happened to qualudes. If you dont have one put up somewhere, youll never see another one. China is producing tons of designer drugs every day and they are being sold right down the road at your local jet pep, some of them are one step away from being meth. Do you really think we cant control what is being sold at our gas stations? Come on.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: nomercy]
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08/27/19 08:56 AM
08/27/19 08:56 AM
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Meridianville
DryFire
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The Dr's get paid for writing scrips. Many of them also have ownership in a pharmacy that they refer you too for a (discount) . It's all about $$$$ Only the dumb ones. The smart ones join together and build a Physician owned hospital. #1 rule: No ER. #2 Rule: To gain admitting privileges, you must agree to only admit only those who have insurance or can prove financial responsibility.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: Out back]
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08/27/19 09:06 AM
08/27/19 09:06 AM
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Dothan/Hartford,Al
87dixieboy
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The Dr's get paid for writing scrips. Many of them also have ownership in a pharmacy that they refer you too for a (discount) . It's all about $$$$ This is about the dumbest thing i've read on here. Oh come on now. There's been way dumber things said around here. 😆 This is true... however for me its pretty up there on the totem pole
Last edited by 87dixieboy; 08/27/19 09:06 AM.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: jwalker77]
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08/27/19 09:07 AM
08/27/19 09:07 AM
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Elmore county
GKelly
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There was a huge ruling against J & J for half billion dollars.
Can’t help but think this law suit will result in companies refusing to make any opioid pain meds for fear of being sued. My friend, you have found the answer to the problem. But this wont happen because there is way too much money in keeping our country addicted to prescription meds. You are exactly right though. Just imagine how much better off our country would be if the opium poppy suddenly went extinct. No more addiction to opiods, no more overdoses. The pharm companies would have to come up with a pain pill that actually helps. It would certainly be a better day. Cocaine and meth are not available by a Dr prescription. If there is a demand for it it will find it's way here no matter what Cocaine is not a really easy problem to fix, ill agree with you there but perscription opiates and meth could be stopped tomorrow if our govt wanted to stop them. It takes ephedrine to make meth, do a little studying and see where all of that is coming from. It would be very easy to stop meth. Opioids would be even easier. Our govt bans chemicals every day. Once the supply runs out, there will never be any more. Do a little studying about what happened to qualudes. If you dont have one put up somewhere, youll never see another one. China is producing tons of designer drugs every day and they are being sold right down the road at your local jet pep, some of them are one step away from being meth. Do you really think we cant control what is being sold at our gas stations? Come on. cocaine requires coca plants whats your point how are we gonna stop every south american country or a drug cartel from importing ephedrine, opium or growing poppies? the meth going around today aint bathtub crank Bubba cooked up in the shed outback its being made in labs by the same cartels supplying the cocaine and heroin. Id imagine qualudes are a bit more difficult to synthesize the active chemical so they fell to the wayside like LSD you dont need a Chemistry degree to make cocaine,heroin or meth its a fairly simple recipe and steps to follow.
Last edited by GKelly; 08/27/19 09:10 AM.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: Fuzzy_Bunny]
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08/27/19 09:57 AM
08/27/19 09:57 AM
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Why sue a Dr, when you can sue a mega corp like j&j? It’s all about the money. This, and individual lawsuits would require much more effort to prove liability.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: Beer Belly]
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08/27/19 10:00 AM
08/27/19 10:00 AM
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Amazing how this opioid crisis started right after we invaded Afghanistan. I forget, who is the worlds leading grower of poppy?
Kinda reminds you of the crack cocaine Papa Bush era.
I am 100% on board with Outback. Legalize pot. Regulate it forcing distributors to indicate the amount of THC in their product.
I don't see how legalizing pot will help the opioid crisis. It would just make pot legal.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: Ben2]
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08/27/19 10:27 AM
08/27/19 10:27 AM
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USA
Remington270
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Who is going to receive the money from this suit? Surely we are not going to give addicts millions of dollars are we? That does not sound like it would work. Does the money go to research or something to prevent the addictions to opoids? The state won the lawsuit, the state gets the money. Just like the BP oil spill money. They can duke it out in the legislature to figure out how it's wasted.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: deadeye48]
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08/27/19 11:49 AM
08/27/19 11:49 AM
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alabaster al.
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Blaming the pain meds is like blaming guns. Surely it can’t be the users fault. I’ve been on pain meds
For years and I’ve never had the urge to take twenty in one day or stick a needle in my arm. It sux that people who need pain relief have to suffer because others have no willpower.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: BIG-AL]
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08/27/19 11:57 AM
08/27/19 11:57 AM
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Clanton, AL
Out back
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Blaming the pain meds is like blaming guns. Surely it can’t be the users fault. I’ve been on pain meds
For years and I’ve never had the urge to take twenty in one day or stick a needle in my arm. It sux that people who need pain relief have to suffer because others have no willpower. That's true, and I completely agree. But opioid should not be used as a long term pain treatment. There are other, more effective ways to control pain. The opioid meds will relieve acute pain and should be available as a treatment for surgery or trauma. But they should never be considered a treatment for chronic pain.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: BIG-AL]
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08/27/19 12:33 PM
08/27/19 12:33 PM
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SE Bama
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Blaming the pain meds is like blaming guns. Surely it can’t be the users fault. I’ve been on pain meds
For years and I’ve never had the urge to take twenty in one day or stick a needle in my arm. It sux that people who need pain relief have to suffer because others have no willpower. Truth...
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: BIG-AL]
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08/27/19 12:53 PM
08/27/19 12:53 PM
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Moulton,AL
Snuffy
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Blaming the pain meds is like blaming guns. Surely it can’t be the users fault. I’ve been on pain meds
For years and I’ve never had the urge to take twenty in one day or stick a needle in my arm. It sux that people who need pain relief have to suffer because others have no willpower. ^^This^^ Pain sucks and you will take anything if you hurt bad enough. I don’t understand how you get addicted if your taking them as prescribed. Now if your taking a handful or mixing with alcohol or other drugs that’s a different story. I had knee replacement surgery and I took Percocet every 4 hours for the first few weeks. I cut back to nights only till the 8 week mark. The only withdrawals I had was difficulty sleeping.
If you always do what you've always done you always get what you've always got
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: lckrn]
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08/27/19 01:02 PM
08/27/19 01:02 PM
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Lee County
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You can blame a lot of this on JCAHO, joint commission on accreditation, they tell hospitals how to run their business and if you don’t do what they say then you lose Medicare and if you lose Medicare the rest of the insurances will drop you as well. About 20 or so years ago they decided that pain was the 5th vital sign and that we in medicine was not sufficiently addressing the pain needs of our pts so that guy in bed 7 eating a sandwich and soda with pain 10/10 had to be medicated with pain medicine. They decided that pain was whatever the patient said it was. Then they started penalizing hospitals if pain was addressed. We in medicine play a big role because we allowed this to happen but the origins come from this independent organization that makes its own rules and holds the power to shut down a hospital. What happens in the hospitals trickles out to private practice eventually. This guy gets it. We as nurses and others in the health care field see it everyday. You people on the outside only see what the news media wants you to see. They show the manufactures as the big ol monsters when in reality the monster is within. The patient wanting to stay drugged when a simple Tylenol will do. The patient will be talking in their cell phone laughing, joking with family, eating, showing no expression of pain... But you let the nurse ask these simple words " Are you in pain, where and what does it rank on a 0-10 level with 10 being the worst" and 9 out of 10 will say it's an 11 or 12. There within lies the opioid crises. We as nurses can not determine a pain level even though it is clearly no more than a 5. JCAHO is a major contributor in this crises. Cut all opioids out and see what happens.
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: deadeye48]
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08/27/19 01:17 PM
08/27/19 01:17 PM
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Slidell, La
perchjerker
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Not all Doctor's are created equal. When a doctors practice goes to crap due to his inability they are liable to do anything, including write scripts that aren't warranted.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Opioid crisis
[Re: Beer Belly]
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08/27/19 01:35 PM
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Amazing how this opioid crisis started right after we invaded Afghanistan. I forget, who is the worlds leading grower of poppy?
Kinda reminds you of the crack cocaine Papa Bush era.
I am 100% on board with Outback. Legalize pot. Regulate it forcing distributors to indicate the amount of THC in their product.
Started way before that.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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