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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction.
[Re: jlccoffee]
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02/20/12 08:34 PM
02/20/12 08:34 PM
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Gotcha1
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Georgia deer near the river, mixture about 15 miles west, and original stocking further west.
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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction.
[Re: jlccoffee]
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02/20/12 09:11 PM
02/20/12 09:11 PM
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I understand what you are saying. Seems like the rut has gotten later on some of the same sites, even away from the river.
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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction.
[Re: jlccoffee]
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02/20/12 09:57 PM
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This is what I don't get. If you look at the average conception date in Barbour under (3) and (5), they appear to be just a few miles away from each other when it comes to the samples. How can you have an average conception date of Nov. 22 for (3) and Feb. 4 for (5). So close togeteher but the conception average is that far apart. I know the sample says 37 samples for (3) and only 5 for (5), but still, the average they have just seems out of whack. Even with the last sample for (5) being 1997, why wouldn't they do a sample for that area in 2011 like they did(3). By the map,they look spitting distance apart.
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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction.
[Re: jlccoffee]
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02/20/12 10:52 PM
02/20/12 10:52 PM
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Kenny Childree had witnessed first-hand the positive impact an antler restriction had on the deer herd at Barbour County Wildlife Management Area (WMA), and he was one of the leaders who pushed for similar regulations for the entire county.
The Alabama Conservation Advisory Board heeded that request and set up a five-year program that would try to measure the impact of the regulations.
As data collection enters its final year in the current 2009-10 season, Childree has already drawn his own conclusions from a laymans perspective. If the experiment in qdm had been a glaring scientific success, you would think we would have a report by now... along with an analysis of the data that was collected to back it up. Oh well!!! Promises, promises.
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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction.
[Re: jlccoffee]
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02/21/12 08:41 AM
02/21/12 08:41 AM
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http://www.dcnr.state.al.us/hunting/Alab...mber%202011.pdfHow long has Barbour County been under an antler restriction? If the restriction is supposed to have benefits or an older age structure and improved buck to doe ratio that include a shorter rut, why does the data from Barbour county show most areas taking two or three cycles to get the does bred just like most of the rest of the state? from the linked source source The influence of stocking source is clearly evident in data collected from Barbour County. Data collected from three sites in Barbour CountyEufaula NWR, Foy Property, and Barbour WMAhas identified three distinct breeding periods for deer, each separated by one month from mid-November through mid-January. Follow up DNA analysis of these populations identified three genetically distinct populations, with the Barbour WMA population being genetically identical to the population of Fred T. Stimpson Sanctuary. Barbour WMA was restocked with deer from Stimpson Sanctuary in the early and mid 1950s. Differences in breeding/fawning dates among the three Barbour County sites remained unchanged for a sampling period of five years. 8 Deer Management History, Philosophy, & Practices The estrous period for a white-tailed deer is very short. A doe is only capable of conception for roughly 24-48 hours once she enters estrus (i.e., heat). If she is not bred at that time, she will come back into heat 28 to 30 days later. Adult does will continue to go into and out of estrus until they are bred, which leads to prolonged, low intensity ruts. Breeding may occur over a period of 40 or more days (usually more), with no well- defined peak, in this scenario. The average date of conception also tends to be later in these populations when compared to properly managed deer herds. Sound deer management principles ensure deer herds function naturally in their reproductive behaviors. Poorly managed herds typically are characterized by a young buck age structure resulting from an over harvest of bucks (particularly young bucks) and an adult sex ratio skewed heavily toward females resulting from the over harvest of bucks and an under harvest of does. The effect on breeding often is manifested in conceptions occurring on second or subsequent estrous cycles simply because there arent enough bucks in the population to breed all receptive does on their first cycle. Additionally, the lack of older age bucks results in reduced signpost behaviors (rubs and scrapes) and the associated deposition of scent (pheromones) that are required for an early synchronized estrous.
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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction.
[Re: Clayton]
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02/21/12 09:17 AM
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one thing I can say for sure is that you see more bucks now. You also see less does. I attribute the decline in does to the liberal doe season. I took a few years for the antler restriction to make a difference, how ever you can tell now. The main thing I fell is people have quit shooting spikes. This can only help. I could say the same thing for the lands I hunt in Coffee County. I saw way more bucks than does this year for instance. But that can't be attributed to an antler restriction because we don't have one in Coffee County. I attribute it to changing hunter attitudes and education.
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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction.
[Re: Clayton]
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02/21/12 09:28 AM
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Big Jack
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xxxxxxxxxx-- The main thing I fell is people have quit shooting spikes. This can only help. ding! ding! ding! We have a winner. That's why you see more bucks, the 2 1/2 year old fraction will be more than doubled and they are the ones that like to walk around in those food plots and poise for the cameras. Past that, who knows?????????????
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