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Barbour County Antler Restriction. #288842
02/20/12 08:12 PM
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http://www.dcnr.state.al.us/hunting/Alab...mber%202011.pdf

How long has Barbour County been under an antler restriction? If the restriction is supposed to have benefits or an older age structure and improved buck to doe ratio that include a shorter rut, why does the data from Barbour county show most areas taking two or three cycles to get the does bred just like most of the rest of the state?

Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #288846
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like this ,,,, can't breed what ain't ready .

Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #288865
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Georgia deer near the river, mixture about 15 miles west, and original stocking further west.


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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #288890
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I'm not talking about deer from across the county, I'm talking about deer from the same site.

See the apendix of the link. There are several Barbour county sites samples.

Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #288912
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I understand what you are saying. Seems like the rut has gotten later on some of the same sites, even away from the river.


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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #288970
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This is what I don't get. If you look at the average conception date in Barbour under (3) and (5), they appear to be just a few miles away from each other when it comes to the samples. How can you have an average conception date of Nov. 22 for (3) and Feb. 4 for (5). So close togeteher but the conception average is that far apart. I know the sample says 37 samples for (3) and only 5 for (5), but still, the average they have just seems out of whack. Even with the last sample for (5) being 1997, why wouldn't they do a sample for that area in 2011 like they did(3). By the map,they look spitting distance apart.


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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #289044
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Quote:
Kenny Childree had witnessed first-hand the positive impact an antler restriction had on the deer herd at Barbour County Wildlife Management Area (WMA), and he was one of the leaders who pushed for similar regulations for the entire county.

The Alabama Conservation Advisory Board heeded that request and set up a five-year program that would try to measure the impact of the regulations.


As data collection enters its final year in the current 2009-10 season, Childree has already drawn his own conclusions from a laymans perspective.


If the experiment in qdm had been a glaring scientific success, you would think we would have a report by now... along with an analysis of the data that was collected to back it up.

Oh well!!!

Promises, promises.

Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #289124
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The antler restricion for the county as a whole has been in affect for about 4-5 years....The management area has had an antler restriction for about 10 years now. I hunt barbour and bullock county and the one thing I can say for sure is that you see more bucks now. You also see less does. I attribute the decline in does to the liberal doe season. I took a few years for the antler restriction to make a difference, how ever you can tell now. The main thing I fell is people have quit shooting spikes. This can only help.

Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #289140
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Originally Posted By: jlccoffee
http://www.dcnr.state.al.us/hunting/Alab...mber%202011.pdf

How long has Barbour County been under an antler restriction? If the restriction is supposed to have benefits or an older age structure and improved buck to doe ratio that include a shorter rut, why does the data from Barbour county show most areas taking two or three cycles to get the does bred just like most of the rest of the state?



from the linked source source

Quote:
The influence of stocking source is clearly evident in data collected from Barbour
County. Data collected from three sites in Barbour CountyEufaula NWR, Foy
Property, and Barbour WMAhas identified three distinct breeding periods for deer,
each separated by one month from mid-November through mid-January. Follow up
DNA analysis of these populations identified three genetically distinct populations, with
the Barbour WMA population being genetically identical to the population of Fred T.
Stimpson Sanctuary. Barbour WMA was restocked with deer from Stimpson Sanctuary
in the early and mid 1950s. Differences in breeding/fawning dates among the three Barbour County sites remained unchanged for a sampling period of five years.





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Deer Management History, Philosophy, & Practices
The estrous period for a white-tailed deer is very short. A doe is only capable of
conception for roughly 24-48 hours once she enters estrus (i.e., heat). If she is not bred
at that time, she will come back into heat 28 to 30 days later. Adult does will continue to
go into and out of estrus until they are bred, which leads to prolonged, low intensity ruts.
Breeding may occur over a period of 40 or more days (usually more), with no well-

defined peak, in this scenario. The average date of conception also tends to be later in
these populations when compared to properly managed deer herds.

Sound deer management principles ensure deer herds function naturally in their
reproductive behaviors. Poorly managed herds typically are characterized by a young
buck age structure resulting from an over harvest of bucks (particularly young bucks)
and an adult sex ratio skewed heavily toward females resulting from the over harvest of
bucks and an under harvest of does. The effect on breeding often is manifested in
conceptions occurring on second or subsequent estrous cycles simply because there
arent enough bucks in the population to breed all receptive does on their first cycle.
Additionally, the lack of older age bucks results in reduced signpost behaviors (rubs and
scrapes) and the associated deposition of scent (pheromones) that are required for an
early synchronized estrous.

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Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: jlccoffee] #289157
02/21/12 09:15 AM
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Yes Carter but I am not talking about taking 2 or 3 cycles across the county. I understand the difference across the county.

I am talking about taking 2 or 3 cycles in the does collected from one site.

Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: Clayton] #289161
02/21/12 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: Clayton
one thing I can say for sure is that you see more bucks now. You also see less does. I attribute the decline in does to the liberal doe season. I took a few years for the antler restriction to make a difference, how ever you can tell now. The main thing I fell is people have quit shooting spikes. This can only help.


I could say the same thing for the lands I hunt in Coffee County. I saw way more bucks than does this year for instance.

But that can't be attributed to an antler restriction because we don't have one in Coffee County. I attribute it to changing hunter attitudes and education.

Re: Barbour County Antler Restriction. [Re: Clayton] #289174
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Originally Posted By: Clayton
xxxxxxxxxx-- The main thing I fell is people have quit shooting spikes. This can only help.


ding! ding! ding! We have a winner. That's why you see more bucks, the 2 1/2 year old fraction will be more than doubled and they are the ones that like to walk around in those food plots and poise for the cameras. Past that, who knows?????????????

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