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Re: This one is far from over [Re: 257wbymag] #2884659
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No. Only one party charged with BUI.


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Re: This one is far from over [Re: dnolen] #2884661
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The story I was told was the Fite boat was sitting still “with the lights” on and someone was playing guitar. The Suggs boat “also with lights on” T boned and flipped the boat. The Fite boy was not the actual driver of the boat but when he saw the Suggs boat about to hit them, hit the throttle to try and get out of the way. Hence the BUI. This is all heresay so don’t take it to the bank.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: straycat] #2884685
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Ant or Doekiller,

How does contributory negligence, if it does at all, play out in criminal cases in Alabama? Is it similar to our civil/personal injury case law? I'm pretty familiar with this on civil construction litigation or premises liability claims, but not sure on criminal cases. Just curious.

Prayers for the family and loved ones. Hopefully the full truth is revealed and appropriate justice is able to be served.

Mike

Excellent question. I disagree with this but contributory negligence is not recognized as a defense in criminal prosecutions.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: 257wbymag] #2884698
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By the way. Criminally negligent homicide is a misdemeanor.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: doekiller] #2884712
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Originally Posted by doekiller
By the way. Criminally negligent homicide is a misdemeanor.

Agreed. Unless DUI or BUI. Then class C felony

Re: This one is far from over [Re: 257wbymag] #2884740
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Why was it indicted though? I don’t have much knowledge of grand jury proceedings

Re: This one is far from over [Re: ozarktroutbum] #2884753
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Originally Posted by ozarktroutbum
Why was it indicted though? I don’t have much knowledge of grand jury proceedings
Would they have been pushing for manslaughter?

Re: This one is far from over [Re: Ant67] #2884754
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Originally Posted by Ant67
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By the way. Criminally negligent homicide is a misdemeanor.

Agreed. Unless DUI or BUI. Then class C felony

I forgot about that. Whoops.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: 257wbymag] #2884784
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Drunks with cars, boats, guns and dang near anything else is a good recipe for something stupid bad to happen.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: perchjerker] #2884802
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Originally Posted by perchjerker
Why are both being charged when only one would be the driver.


I thought in the State of Alabama if you are in the vehicle and are drunk as well as and knowing that the driver is drunk that you also are arrested or could be arrested for DUI.?

Re: This one is far from over [Re: timbercruiser] #2884803
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
Drunks with cars, boats, guns and dang near anything else is a good recipe for something stupid bad to happen.

Agreed!

Re: This one is far from over [Re: Ant67] #2884914
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Originally Posted by Ant67
Originally Posted by doekiller
By the way. Criminally negligent homicide is a misdemeanor.

Agreed. Unless DUI or BUI. Then class C felony


But the indictment charges the misdemeanor here.

Hypothetically, a husband and wife in a speeding pontoon boat, not paying any attention because they’re engaged in coital or pre-coital activities, which is then involved in a fatal accident, might score them both this kind of charge.

Tox results should have been back already, I would assume if either or both were intoxicated the grand jury would have charged them accordingly.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: 257wbymag] #2884985
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
No. Only one party charged with BUI.


Not according to the report I read. It said that Fite was booked into jail on July 5th for BUI but posted $2000 bond and was released, but was not implicated in Starling/s death. The accident happened the night of July 4th so I doubt he was out BUI on the 5th. The Suggs had both been charged with misdemeanor criminally negligent homicide, not the felony version, which seems strange to me. If they were charged with BUI, why not go the felony route???

Re: This one is far from over [Re: 257wbymag] #2884999
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Unless the pontoon boaters were drunk OR sober but not at the helm of the boat or something - I don't see how they can be convicted or even to blame for hitting a boat in the middle of a giant lake at 10pm that had NO lights on whatsoever. Sad story all the way around.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: mman] #2885048
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Originally Posted by mman
Originally Posted by 257wbymag
No. Only one party charged with BUI.


Not according to the report I read. It said that Fite was booked into jail on July 5th for BUI but posted $2000 bond and was released, but was not implicated in Starling/s death. The accident happened the night of July 4th so I doubt he was out BUI on the 5th. The Suggs had both been charged with misdemeanor criminally negligent homicide, not the felony version, which seems strange to me. If they were charged with BUI, why not go the felony route???


Think about time a little more. Accident at 10:00pm on July 4 means you don't get booked at the county jail until the wee hours of July 5. Booking is several hours after an arrest.

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None of the Suggs were charged with BUI.


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Re: This one is far from over [Re: Cynical] #2885097
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Originally Posted by Cynical
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
No. Only one party charged with BUI.


Not according to the report I read. It said that Fite was booked into jail on July 5th for BUI but posted $2000 bond and was released, but was not implicated in Starling/s death. The accident happened the night of July 4th so I doubt he was out BUI on the 5th. The Suggs had both been charged with misdemeanor criminally negligent homicide, not the felony version, which seems strange to me. If they were charged with BUI, why not go the felony route???


Think about time a little more. Accident at 10:00pm on July 4 means you don't get booked at the county jail until the wee hours of July 5. Booking is several hours after an arrest.


That was my point. The story didn't specifically say it was tied to the accident, I was merely showing how unlikely it would have been for him, Fite, to have received a BUI in an unrelated incident on the 5th.

Re: This one is far from over [Re: 257wbymag] #2885109
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Originally Posted by 257wbymag
None of the Suggs were charged with BUI.


Oh, OK....So the Suggs were not drunk, just negligent, This is just a strange case all the way around...,

Re: This one is far from over [Re: mman] #2885118
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Originally Posted by mman
Originally Posted by 257wbymag
None of the Suggs were charged with BUI.


Oh, OK....So the Suggs were not drunk, just negligent, This is just a strange case all the way around...,



He didn't say they wasn't drunk....he just stated they wasn't charged with BUI


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Re: This one is far from over [Re: mman] #2885122
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Originally Posted by mman
Originally Posted by 257wbymag
None of the Suggs were charged with BUI.


Oh, OK....So the Suggs were not drunk, just negligent, This is just a strange case all the way around...,

I think you were thrown off due to Fite being arrested for BUI but not being charged for the death. The BUI was from the incident involving the collision but that doesn’t mean he automatically would be charged with the death as well. Obviously more evidence has come to light about the other boat since then. If I am driving drunk with a passenger and some idiot rear ends me and kills the passenger, I’m still going to jail for dui but it didn’t have anything to do with the death of the passenger.

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