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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
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02/16/12 08:06 PM
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Just tell me how high I need to jump and how long I need to stay in the air...
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Memento mori (Neck shot, 75 yards) - - I'll see you at the lake, around the beach, on the mountain & in the woods on this side or the other by & by.
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: hallb]
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02/16/12 10:22 PM
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I'm for legalizing bait, but I think this is the stupidest thing ever. Might as well just kept it like it was. Bait doesn't really make hunting any easier...it's not like you just throw out a bag of corn and wait for the booners to come trotting in. I just don't like the government trying to control what we do and getting in the way of things and this is a prime example. not to get off the subject but if baiting doesn't make hunting easier then why do so many want it legalized and why are so many willing to spend thousands on putting out feeders and bait? I guarantee with a little restraint and not too much pressure you can pop does and bucks up to 2 1/2 relatively easy over feeders through out the season. Really lay off the trigger and with minimal pressure I think some would be surprised how many mature bucks would be shot at a feeder, especially on private property where there isn't a club.
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/16/12 10:22 PM
02/16/12 10:22 PM
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LMAO
All pretty weak arguments.
And, if you ever get past your emotions, you will see the same!!!
Not to mention, if this is being backed by High Dollar Outfitting Operations.......won't the astronomical financial burden that most are describing put them out of business?? They have about reached their plateau on pricing; so this cuts directly into their profit margin!
I think this is WAY more about the average guy that complains all Season long about the fact that he can't kill a trophy buck because he 'thinks' that all his neighbors are 'baiting' than any of you are willing to acknowledge! Just what the hell are you smoking? Usually you seem like a pretty rational guy. What about the law do you agree with? I don't think the anti folks are as upset as the pro bait folks. It's just a poorly written law. I just want them to us common sense if they pass a baiting bill. We all know it's coming one day. Do you agree folks are wrong to complain about the greenfield and 100 yard line of site rule??
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
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02/17/12 08:00 AM
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I think that if you get past emotions, and they are very evident in your tone, that you will see that all the little idiosyncrasies within the Bill is built in to address a common argument against baiting. While they are lame, so are the arguments. As has been stated numerous times, this thing is built to pass by addressing specific concerns that are commonly used against it. BTW, I have NOT said that I like it. I am simply a realist with an analytical mind. I can see WHY it is written the way it is!
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/17/12 09:01 AM
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Has anyone looked into the detrimental effects that are being cried about on here??
I mean, all you have to do is call some of our neighbors right next door in MS. I have not heard any of the one's I know saying that the Sky has Fallen over there yet!!! i don't want it past on account of all the restriction and fees. if it passes the reg's may change but the fee will only go up and you know that . as for baiting i don't care if people do it , don't care if they are doing it illegally now .
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
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02/17/12 09:21 AM
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^^^ correct, Put out several feeders and run that 15%+ feed through them, it'll run into real $, real quick! Heck, just corn at $7+ a bushel could lighten your wallet.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: truedouble]
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02/17/12 09:30 AM
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fees?????? how can you worry about fees? fees are about 1/20th the cost of feeding year around. I think some people are still thinking about pouring a bag of corn out on the ground. Baiting for the purpose of killing a deer is completely different than feeding deer year around. If you think you can afford to feed year around you shouldn't have to worry about the fees. uhmmmmmmm , i might not want to feed year round i might want to pore out corn for just three months . see thats what worry some of yall . lol
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Frankie]
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02/17/12 09:39 AM
02/17/12 09:39 AM
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fees?????? how can you worry about fees? fees are about 1/20th the cost of feeding year around. I think some people are still thinking about pouring a bag of corn out on the ground. Baiting for the purpose of killing a deer is completely different than feeding deer year around. If you think you can afford to feed year around you shouldn't have to worry about the fees. uhmmmmmmm , i might not want to feed year round i might want to pore out corn for just three months . see thats what worry some of yall . lol Glad to see that I am not the only one to see through all the whining and crying!!!!! LOL
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Frankie]
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02/17/12 09:45 AM
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fees?????? how can you worry about fees? fees are about 1/20th the cost of feeding year around. I think some people are still thinking about pouring a bag of corn out on the ground. Baiting for the purpose of killing a deer is completely different than feeding deer year around. If you think you can afford to feed year around you shouldn't have to worry about the fees. uhmmmmmmm , i might not want to feed year round i might want to pore out corn for just three months . see thats what worry some of yall . lol yep, you and the remaining 95% of pro-baiters who's goal is really just to make killing does and immature bucks easier...
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: jlbuc10]
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02/17/12 09:56 AM
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I dont see anything changing at all. The people that already bait are going to continue to bait and the people that dont bait will continue to not bait. Also a little something extra having bait out doesnt help that much i know people that hunt corn piles all year and dont hardly see a deer. All of you that have hunted over corn in alabama before know that corn doesnt equal success so if someone spends the time and money to bait, plus takes a chance of getting caught and paying a fine, but "dont hardly see a deer" then why do they continue to bait and why are they so intent on making it legal? I hear this argument all the time but it's hard for me to understand. If baiting really doesn't help then there are some real dumb arses out there throwing away their money year after year. I do realize that under most circumstances where hunting pressure is reasonably high, you aren't going to kill any more mature bucks b/c of bait, but I would guess that a lot of baiters aren't opposed to killing multiple immature bucks. All I'm saying is call it like it is.
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/17/12 10:01 AM
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A spin-cast feeder throwing 2.5 lbs/feeding/twice daily=5 lbs/day.
A 30 gal feeder will easily hold 150 lbs of feed. At 5 lbs/day this will last 30 days (1 month).
75 lbs corn @ 8% protein + 75 lbs pelleted deer ration @ 21% protein = 150 lbs mix @ 15% protein.
Corn = $10.50 per 50 lbs 21% Deer Pellets = $22.00 per 50 lbs Total cost of mix = $48.50/month
If you elect to only feed for 4 months of Hunting, you are less than $200 per feeder for feed.
Now, granted there is the initial cost of the feeder. The prices vary widely!!! And, the $25 'fee'.....
But, either way.....it is NOT the thousands of dollars being proposed by some! I guess I read the bill wrong. I thought it said you would be required to feed 12 months out of the year.
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Re: Baiting Bill in Legislature
[Re: Skinny]
#286609
02/17/12 10:02 AM
02/17/12 10:02 AM
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Hogwild
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JUST like the ones that are AGAINST 'baiting', but literally spend 10's of thousands of dollars on clearing land, buying tractors, adding lime, fertilizer, the BEST seeds, shooting houses, etc.....BUT, don't admit that they are 'baiting'.
Supplemental feeding is cheap compared to food plots!!!
That has been the most common argument AGAINST baiting up until now. People missed that while trying to justify their stance. LOL
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