But that happens all the time here, and happened multiple times in this thread. Someone will get all high and mighty, talking bad about the skillset of any hunter that would "bait", while they hunt over a kill plot.

I have hunted over corn hog hunting, never deer, and rarely sit a greenfield. I prefer to either slip along in the woods or just pick a good spot and sit.

baiting and food plots aren’t the type of hunting I enjoy

Same. I've hunted a food plot maybe a half dozen times in the last 5 years, and where I hunt is known for some of the finest plots around. Just doesn't appeal to me...neither does hunting over a feeder. I've done it a few times in Florida, and it's the most boring thing ever.

Others are free to do it...it's just not for me at all.

Same here.

I think you need to qualify that statement in some way. The word "bait" has a legal definition, and planting a field doesn't fit the definition. They are not legally the same activity, and they obviously require much different types of work, so they are not physically the same activity.

If you wanna say that they are morally the same, I would agree with you, as long as you buy the Baiting Permit. Or maybe you mean they are theologically the same thing?

Both are used as a lure or attractant. Call it what you want to make yourself feel better, but that’s what they both do.

Yup, permit, no permit, legal , illegal , water it down, call it lure, attractant , or heaven forbid, bait , it all gets the same result. It's all something put there by the hunter to bring the game in.

Kinda like the harvest V kill debate , either way they both equal dead.

Not sure about that

let's put out a 1/2 acre clover field, 100lbs of corn in a pile, a bottle of tinks and a pile of acorn crush and see if they all get the same result. I bet some of those work better than the others.

Matter of fact I would bet the field is the least productive because the deer have to leave cover to come to them, therefore the whole reason the state had allowed them for so many years.... it didn't give that much of an advantage whereas baiting will. That's just my opinion. I think anyone who actually believes that a corn pile in the woods next to good cover and a creek isn't easier to kill deer off of than a green field don't know too much about hunting or they're just trying to make it sound tougher so they won't feel bad bringing in all these deer this next year.

I assure you that I feel just fine about my hunting methods.

It looks like to me that the baiters are the ones trying to make themselves feel better. I haven't written anything that could be interpreted as any sort of moral superiority; I just pointed out that food plots and baiting are not the "same thing" legally or physically. I have asked this question several times and nobody has ever tried to answer it, so I will ask again - in what sense are they the same thing?

I don't think we can communicate with one another if we redefine words to mean something different from what they have always meant.

It's been answered several times over. I answered it for you, as well. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean that it's not the answer to your question. If you refuse to see that, then I don't think anybody can help you.

Not all clover patches are a square half acre. One of the best “food plots” I ever hunted was a 8 yard wide 100 yard strip of clover/winter wheat that went right through the middle of some thinned pines. Literally right through the bedding area.

Hell the only thing that could of made that field any better was maybe a corn feeder, some Tinks 69 during the rut, and maybe some of that acorn rage stuff.

I think what 2 dogs is saying is that it is all baiting. And in your question you asked how many people where going to quit planting “food plots” and “just bait” he was simply saying food plots are a form of bait. But you interpret it how ever you want.

It’s just a fraking deer. Some folks may think making theirselves “hunt hard” means more. Just don’t pressure the stupid things and they will walk out in a greenfield and you can shoot them. Why make something pretty damn easy so tough?????

Yep , you get it, I and others have tried to explain this several ways , several times. I guess there's some that just can't be honest enough with themselves to grasp the fact that the high quality clover patch that was bull dozed out, limed and planted by them is a form of bait. I'm gonna say it again, the state has said for years you can grow a corn patch for deer , bush hog it down and that's not bait. I guess they think people really believe that. Well , I guess some do believe it, cause the Guvment says so.

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It's been answered several times over. I answered it for you, as well. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean that it's not the answer to your question. If you refuse to see that, then I don't think anybody can help you.
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I'm not the one who needs help; I don't have to pay the Sin Tax.

I don't have to buy a Bait Permit to carry out my management practices. There is no state in the union that defines planting a field as baiting. In fact, there is no place on earth that defines it that way. You can call them the "same thing" as many times as you want, but that doesn't make it true. They are practices that can be used for a similar purpose, but that doesn't make them the same practice.

It's mostly just a question of semantics. I would think that everyone saying that they are the same thing understands at some level that they are not. Apples and oranges are both foods, but nobody would say they are the same thing.

It's been answered several times over. I answered it for you, as well. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean that it's not the answer to your question. If you refuse to see that, then I don't think anybody can help you.
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I'm not the one who needs help; I don't have to pay the Sin Tax.

I don't have to buy a Bait Permit to carry out my management practices. There is no state in the union that defines planting a field as baiting. In fact, there is no place on earth that defines it that way. You can call them the "same thing" as many times as you want, but that doesn't make it true. They are practices that can be used for a similar purpose, but that doesn't make them the same practice.

It's mostly just a question of semantics. I would think that everyone saying that they are the same thing understands at some level that they are not. Apples and oranges are both foods, but nobody would say they are the same thing.[/quote]

As usually, you try to change horses mid race. I never said anything about whether you do or should bait. I simply answered your question. You can take your ramblings and concerns and discuss it with the folks at Webster’s dictionary and tell them that you don’t like their definition.

As usually, you try to change horses mid race. I never said anything about whether you do or should bait. I simply answered your question. You can take your ramblings and concerns and discuss it with the folks at Webster’s dictionary and tell them that you don’t like their definition.
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My apologies for offending you. Ramblings are all that I have and my intention was just to participate in the discussion. I will suspend myself from the forum for 12 hours as punishment. I hope you and are ok, as I have always valued your opinions.

A corn feeder is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure a game animal into gun or bow range.

A green patch is bait placed in a specific location by man to lure a game animal into gun or bow range.

It requires no more skill or effort to hunt over one vs the other.

With both legal I can see no moral or ethical difference.

Both could be used as a means to provide additional supplimental food for the deer on your land.

Here's a better question back at you. In what meaningful way are they different?

Honest and simple enough. Good luck getting an equally honest and simple answer.