I bought a TRD off-road access cab last year for 35k from Tuscaloosa Toyota. They beat everyone else in the southeast. I spent over a month and a half looking.

I paid 32 in 2017 for a new TRD off road with every upgrade package they had.

I actually think it's less than 10%. At least according to a friend whose family owns some dealerships. Almost no one does it. GM for sure makes it almost impossible to pay cash. They obviously want you financing, and buying more car. They're not stupid. [/quote]


I read one time that GM hasn't made a dime in profit on vehicle sales directly since 1968. They make the money on service and financing.

The new ones have 278 hp and also offer paddle type shifting so you can select what gear you want manually if desired. They will also fly with your foot on the gas

It's amazing how many people talk about being independent, taking care of themselves and leaving other people alone yet will turn around and tell someone they're not living right, not saving money correctly, shouldn't go to this city or do that trip or take their kids here-there or are not doing things "the right way."

When, y'know, it's really none of anyone else's business.

Someone wants to live frugally in Tinytown and be scared of going to a city with more than 10,000 people and live in a bubble? Fine.

Someone wants to spend all their money or buy new vehicles and boats and clothes and guns or hunting trips and do whatever? Fine.

Actually, since you chose to bring God into it, there are multiple verses in the Bible, both OT and NT, that suggest you should avoid debt when possible. Is debt completely totally 100% avoidable? No, not really, not for a large majority of people. But BIBLICALLY, one should strive to at least minimize debt as much as possible.

When, y'know, it's really none of anyone else's business.

And when you feel like that, then you need to keep your ass out of public talk forums.

OK after all the internet searches and advice (which I greatly appreciate), Aldeer and my mechanic have convinced me to pull the trigger on a 2015 Tacoma for my son. It has 61000 miles but it gets to the 25000 range anyways. I went with the 2015 because the consensus is that after that is when quality dropped. We won't get it until Tuesday because they have to bring it in from another Carmax dealer. I hope it is as clean and good as they say. Pictures are nice anyhow.

Edit: if I don’t find the blasted title to the trade in I won’t be doing anything until I can get a replacement. Got one for every other car in our fleet except the one I need and I saw it a couple of months ago.

Especially when you get in them and tell people they're not doing it right or living right.

I guess nobody likes to be told to do what's right. What I've found though is that the ones who know they really aren't are the ones it really pisses off.

Go back and look at what I've said. All I did was encourage anyone not to spend more than they should and do right for their family. I

<in your opinion>

You’re stating that as a fact.

That is what is rubbing people the wrong way, as I read the conversation

No ,what's rubbing anyone wrong is that nobody likes to be told their toys cost too much,especially when they know it. Anybody that can actually afford a new Toyota truck would probably just nod their head and agree when I encouraged folks to spend their money wisely. It's the ones who are mortaged to the hilt and the damn payment will eat their lunch that don't want to be told they don't need a new truck before taking care of other financial responsibilities.

Oh my,I gave an opinion on a public talk forum. Is that new? Are we just sticking to facts from now on?

I'll just keep on giving my opinions,mostly because I wish somebody had told me the same when I was a lot younger.

You bought them 3 years apart?

I guess so. One was a work truck and one a family crew cab.

Talk about a thread derailment.

He did it the RIGHT way , though.

Doing it RIGHT. Multiple trucks. Multiple tags for said trucks. You spend your money how you want and I'll spend mine how I want. No need to criticize somebody for what they drive

You’re rich if you don’t buy junky leupolds.