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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MallardMan84] #2811921
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Never say never... If your daughters dog got real sick, I'd bet most dads would hand over the cash pretty quick.

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Gulfcoast] #2811924
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Never say never... If your daughters dog got real sick, I'd bet most dads would hand over the cash pretty quick.

I did. And it was my dog. But the kids and grandkids loved him, so I spent a pile of money to treat him as long as we could.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Gulfcoast] #2811931
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Never say never... If your daughters dog got real sick, I'd bet most dads would hand over the cash pretty quick.


I would not. Don't have a daughter, but my son is very attached to our dog. Heck, the wife and I are too.

But, I'm not going to pay 5X more to get a dog's teeth cleaned than it costs to get my own teeth cleaned (if I didn't have dental insurance). That's simply insanity.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MallardMan84] #2811933
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Look at his much it would cost to so that to a human, realize vets go through as the same amount of school, have the same loans, and are under basically the same regulations. Then stfu.

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MallardMan84] #2811936
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STFU???? LOL!


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: hunterbuck] #2811937
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Originally Posted by hunterbuck
That's about what the estimate our vet gave us for cleaning our miniature schnauzer's teeth looked like.

I told them he'd just have to start eating canned food.

Schnauzers are known to have dental problems. Mine had issues for years until it got so bad the vet pulled all of his teeth a couple of years ago. He's over 14 years old and eats the same food he always has his entire life. It's a small bite food and he has no issues eating it.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: BradB] #2811939
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Originally Posted by BradB
Oh heck that ain't nothing.Prior to the last cleaning for our dog they recommended an EKG because he is old.Unfortunately I let the wife take him to the appointment and about lost it when I found out a doggie EKG costed about $600.My doc does it for $150. Vets are rip off artists.


Vets are Doctors, performing medical procedures and diagnostics.

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Skullworks] #2811941
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Originally Posted by Skullworks
STFU???? LOL!

My bad. Stop complaining you whinny ass cry baby.

That better?

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Abbhudson] #2811943
05/21/19 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by Skullworks
STFU???? LOL!

My bad. Stop complaining you whinny ass cry baby.

That better?


LMAO! You MUST be talking to someone else. I haven't whined at all. LOL!


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
Jimmy G.
Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MallardMan84] #2811947
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Not talking to you. Just fixing my stfu. I thought you didn't appreciate it? Maybe I took the lol in the wrong context.

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Abbhudson] #2811949
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by Skullworks
STFU???? LOL!

My bad. Stop complaining you whinny ass cry baby.

That better?


I don’t think the mods realized you are a female. May want to tell em so they can change your name to pink.

To the OP, Vets look out for themselves and the critters not you. I don’t agree with it, just the way it is. I’d call them and see where I told em they could do all that on my dog. Large Animal vets are a little different at times. Most time they look at the farmers best interest, may tell you the animal isn’t worth spending the money on. I farm for a living and only use a vet to semen test, and pregnancy check. I do all my own stuff rest of time. I don’t do much pregnancy checking anymore, I have started pulling blood and mailing it off the last few years.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Be_Cam] #2811952
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Originally Posted by Be_Cam
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by Skullworks
STFU???? LOL!

My bad. Stop complaining you whinny ass cry baby.

That better?


I don’t think the mods realized you are a female. May want to tell em so they can change your name to pink.

To the OP, Vets look out for themselves and the critters not you. I don’t agree with it, just the way it is. I’d call them and see where I told em they could do all that on my dog. Large Animal vets are a little different at times. Most time they look at the farmers best interest, may tell you the animal isn’t worth spending the money on. I farm for a living and only use a vet to semen test, and pregnancy check. I do all my own stuff rest of time. I don’t do much pregnancy checking anymore, I have started pulling blood and mailing it off the last few years.


rofl


"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer."
Jimmy G.
Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Gulfcoast] #2811966
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Never say never... If your daughters dog got real sick, I'd bet most dads would hand over the cash pretty quick.


I spent a good chunk of change right after Christmas to give my 13yr old lab who was in kidney failure a chance. Fluids and all didn't help him so I ended up putting him down right after he completed the 48hrs of fluids because he was miserable when I brought him home. If I had it to do all again I'd do it the same.

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Be_Cam] #2811968
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Originally Posted by Be_Cam
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by Skullworks
STFU???? LOL!

My bad. Stop complaining you whinny ass cry baby.

That better?


I don’t think the mods realized you are a female. May want to tell em so they can change your name to pink.

To the OP, Vets look out for themselves and the critters not you. I don’t agree with it, just the way it is. I’d call them and see where I told em they could do all that on my dog. Large Animal vets are a little different at times. Most time they look at the farmers best interest, may tell you the animal isn’t worth spending the money on. I farm for a living and only use a vet to semen test, and pregnancy check. I do all my own stuff rest of time. I don’t do much pregnancy checking anymore, I have started pulling blood and mailing it off the last few years.


The difference in large and small animal is that large there is a price point where the farmer looses money on the animal and culling is the best financial option. Out of curiosity what do you pay for preg check and semen check?

Small animal that's not the case. There is no end product to sell. That estimate included everything for gold standard care. You are free to decline it. But if it's not offered and a complication arises the vet is now open to a fun little lawsuit and could lose their ability to practice.

The difference in a vets radiograph machine and other equipment vs a doctor or dentist's is minimal, the costs of upkeep, storage of images, etc are the same. Now go look at what your dentist charges for an x-ray, root canal, etc (actually charges not what you pay after insurance) then you'll realize the vet is giving you a great deal.

A few threads ago everyone was fine with a few grand to paint a truck...but a vet charging 500 to treat a pet you elected to own is unacceptable.

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MallardMan84] #2811972
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are you a vet? jw.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Gulfcoast] #2812002
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Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Never say never... If your daughters dog got real sick, I'd bet most dads would hand over the cash pretty quick.

Nope. He is just a dog to me.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: Abbhudson] #2812011
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Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by Be_Cam
Originally Posted by Abbhudson
Originally Posted by Skullworks
STFU???? LOL!

My bad. Stop complaining you whinny ass cry baby.

That better?


I don’t think the mods realized you are a female. May want to tell em so they can change your name to pink.

To the OP, Vets look out for themselves and the critters not you. I don’t agree with it, just the way it is. I’d call them and see where I told em they could do all that on my dog. Large Animal vets are a little different at times. Most time they look at the farmers best interest, may tell you the animal isn’t worth spending the money on. I farm for a living and only use a vet to semen test, and pregnancy check. I do all my own stuff rest of time. I don’t do much pregnancy checking anymore, I have started pulling blood and mailing it off the last few years.


The difference in large and small animal is that large there is a price point where the farmer looses money on the animal and culling is the best financial option. Out of curiosity what do you pay for preg check and semen check?

Small animal that's not the case. There is no end product to sell. That estimate included everything for gold standard care. You are free to decline it. But if it's not offered and a complication arises the vet is now open to a fun little lawsuit and could lose their ability to practice.

The difference in a vets radiograph machine and other equipment vs a doctor or dentist's is minimal, the costs of upkeep, storage of images, etc are the same. Now go look at what your dentist charges for an x-ray, root canal, etc (actually charges not what you pay after insurance) then you'll realize the vet is giving you a great deal.

A few threads ago everyone was fine with a few grand to paint a truck...but a vet charging 500 to treat a pet you elected to own is unacceptable.



All depends on price, on BSE local stock yard will do it for $30, AU charges about $75-100 all according what else they do. If we get it done on the farm, it’s basically a hourly rate of $290 a hour I think. That what preg checkin is, and if we do all our bulls at one time “9-11” most times, it’s about the same.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MarksOutdoors] #2812031
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Originally Posted by MarksOutdoors
Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Never say never... If your daughters dog got real sick, I'd bet most dads would hand over the cash pretty quick.

Nope. He is just a dog to me.


Yep. He's my buddy and all...he's snuggled up right next to me as I type this. But, in the end, he's still just my dog.


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Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MallardMan84] #2812045
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I don't even know where to start with this. I probably shouldn't but here goes.

First off, a lot of the rough and tough guys on here are likely the same ones that drop their companion off 15 years at my back door and leave because they "can't be with him/her" when I have the noble task of ending undue pain and suffering.

"Vets look after them selves and the critters, not you." Some truth to this, some not. Absolutely I look after myself. I have a staff of employees that look to me for a job. I need their help, that's why I employ them. I like to be able to pay these people. I have to be able to pay these people, pay my suppliers, pay my power bill, property tax, business tax, state licensing, Federal drug licensing, the list go's on and on. Unfortunately, that requires me to make a profit.

Number one my focus as a veterinarian is public health. Rabies vaccinations aren't mandatory just so I can spend sweltering Saturday mornings in various parking lots around the county charging (albeit what the state says I am required to charge) for them. I can promise you I don't enjoy euthanizing and removing the head off of a 7 month old kitten with severe neurological signs that lives in a house with young children. Forgot to mention the part where the unvaccinated kitten enjoys playing with the raccoons on the porch every night. Veterinarians are the first line of defense against zoonotic disease transmission to humans. Veterinarians are also the first line of defense in food safety in this country. So yeah we are looking after you.

An animal's best interest is always in my mind. When I am examining an animal, my thoughts are not on the bill that's sitting due in my mailbox, my employees wanting raises, the estimated cost of my supplies that raise 15% per year, all while trying to keep my prices the same or deal with the complaints of clients. Our focus is on that pets best interest, and working out a treatment plan that is effective and the client can afford. That's my focus at least. Yes, large animals have a price point where the animal is no longer worth treating. What's the fair market value on a dog or cat? If you know the answer the United States Supreme court would like your help.

Going back to the ESTIMATE at hand. I believe people have lost sight that it's an estimate for the procedure. No veterinarian (at least one that doesn't want to be sued) does an elective procedure on an animal and sticks you with the bill. That's not only ethically wrong it's illegal.

In my humble opinion, that is the best medical care available for your animal. Everything on there is gold standard of care. Keep in mind that 500 dollar dental is going to cost you 1200 in Nashville, 2000 in Austin, 2500 in LA.

If one doesn't want to pay it, then don't pay it. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Unlike the emotional blackmail that I and most if not all of my colleagues are subjected to on a daily basis. "If you cared you'd do it for free". Hear that one all the time. Usually the offending party gets on their iPhone on the way outside to their luxury SUV.

It all comes down to this : Good medicine isn't very cheap, and cheap medicine isn't very good. Looking at that estimate, I think you're getting the best veterinary medical care available and at an incredible price.

Re: Veterinarian Question [Re: MallardMan84] #2812050
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odo....I don't begrudge you for what you do, or what you charge. That's your business.

I just think that amount to clean a dog's teeth is ridiculous...but that's my opinion.

I'm just not going to pay that amount for a dog's teeth cleaning...ever.

Since that's "gold standard" care, is there a "silver star" or "wooden star" price for cleaning a dog's teeth?


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