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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: 2Dogs]
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05/20/19 06:53 PM
05/20/19 06:53 PM
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Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 18,057 North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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That's a big leap to make there Danny. Bama deer will never be midwest deer. I do however think that with better management: such as, limiting "individual" doe harvest in areas where needed, (2) actually having a system to be able to obtain true, complete harvest data and regulation compliance, (3) having the ability and money to hire enough wardens to actually be able to really enforce the laws that are currently on the books, and (4) having the fines high enough that if you do break the game laws in Alabama, you pay a high enough price that it'll make you think twice about ever doing it again. I'm not saying reduce the limit on bucks from the current 3 or even the season. Just actually having the personnel in place and a good system to actually enforce the 3 buck limit would go a long way. Game check is a joke and a single warden working entire counties and in some/most cases multiple counties is pretty much a joke on the enforcement side. It's like everything else, the devil is in the details and the best plan with piss poor execution and enforcement is just as bad as having a bad plan to start with, if not worse. Everyone has broken the baiting law for years because it could not be properly enforced due to a lack of personnel and time and the penalty being too low to serve as a deterrent. Here's just a few examples: Hunting without a license resident Fine $100 Hunting without a licence non-resident Fine $825 Selling game animals $500 Hunting out of Season $250 Hunting over bait $250 (legal now with the new permit) Running deer with dogs during stalk hunting only season $200 Exceeding bag limit on big game $100 The fines are so low that it is not a valid deterrent. If you can get away with hunting without a non-resident license in Alabama for 3 years, you're money ahead. Selling game animals, $500 fine. What a joke. Heck, you know that if you and I wanted to do that, we could easily make $1000's a week. Fact is, it's cheap as hell to be an outlaw in Alabama and that's the biggest problem with all of it. It's no wonder why so many people dont pay attention to making sure they obey the game laws of the state. Doing that little bit of research just showed me that for only $100 (if and only if, I get caught, LOL) I can kill a fourth buck or shoot two on the same day, if I happen to see second one that I like, with the only downside being that if I get caught, I have to pay a $100 fine plus court costs and forfeit the deer. I'd never do it because rules, regs are laws are there for a reason and I will not knowingly break them but that right there IMO is the biggest problem. You overlooked the biggest fine joke in Alabama, spotlighting. Since everyone wants to be like Kansas , take a look at their night hunting fines, I believe it's about $10,000. Ask Spook Spann about breaking game laws in Kansas and how much it will cost a fella. 😀
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: Nightwatchman]
#2811683
05/20/19 08:29 PM
05/20/19 08:29 PM
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Posts: 4,133 GA
UncleHuck
10 point
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When do you guys have time to go all the way to Iowa? I don’t have time to hunt my club and it’s 45 min away. I haven't yet. Buying points until I am ready to go. Still going to Texas and Alabama, though!
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: abolt300]
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05/21/19 08:19 AM
05/21/19 08:19 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,956 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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Here's something else to think about. I think that most other states grant an exemption of have a special permit available for non-resident landowners to be able to hunt the property they own in that state without having to pay the full non-resident license fee. I think it is either 40 or 80 acres in KS and I know for a fact that it is 40 acres in IL. If you own it, you apply for a much cheaper permit to be able to hunt just your land. I'd be all for AL doing the same thing. It's 80 acres in Kansas. This never will happen in Alabama because the non-residents wouldn't be paying full non-resident license costs. Can't have that. Nope.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: Southwood7]
#2811988
05/21/19 08:27 AM
05/21/19 08:27 AM
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Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
ikillbux
ishootatbux
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ishootatbux
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In Alabama you can hunt for FOUR full months
And I'd trade it tomorrow for two/three weeks bow hunting in Iowa. And I wouldn’t. Different strokes for different folks. Hunting is fun and I don’t only want to go 2 or 3 weeks. And I don't disagree with ya... it's just MY preference. Where I'm at in my hunting career, and the way I hunt, Alabama's hunting experience is lacking (again, for me). Hunting has become secondary to me as a hobby, I fish much more these days, but that's because fishing in Alabama is the envy of the country (the total opposite of hunting). Guntersville (for example) is the fishing equivalent of Iowa deer hunting.
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: Dave_H]
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05/21/19 10:27 AM
05/21/19 10:27 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,956 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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Try Ohio, One buck and up to five does. License is $142 and each tag is $24 and they kill some monsters. I've killed 160 class deer and seen larger on the hoof or killed by others. Lots of public land and look at the records: https://apps.ohiodnr.gov/Wildlife/BigBuck/Shhhhh. Nothing to see in Ohio. Not worth the drive. No deer at all there.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: Sasquatch Lives]
#2812338
05/21/19 01:31 PM
05/21/19 01:31 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,247 Oxford, AL. USA
Big Game Hunter
Doesn’t Know His Code
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Doesn’t Know His Code
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Posts: 12,247
Oxford, AL. USA
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Do you guys roll your own or go on fully guided outfitted hunts? Sometimes I'm the outfitter, sometimes I'm the booking agent, sometimes I'm the guide, and sometimes I'm the client. It just depends.....
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: Clem]
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05/21/19 03:06 PM
05/21/19 03:06 PM
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Posts: 21,784 USA
Remington270
Freak of Nature
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Here's something else to think about. I think that most other states grant an exemption of have a special permit available for non-resident landowners to be able to hunt the property they own in that state without having to pay the full non-resident license fee. I think it is either 40 or 80 acres in KS and I know for a fact that it is 40 acres in IL. If you own it, you apply for a much cheaper permit to be able to hunt just your land. I'd be all for AL doing the same thing. It's 80 acres in Kansas. This never will happen in Alabama because the non-residents wouldn't be paying full non-resident license costs. Can't have that. Nope. Not to mention the whole "if you're not at the table, you're on the menu" dynamic. Non-residents, by definition, can't vote and have no say in the matter.
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: therealhojo]
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05/21/19 08:38 PM
05/21/19 08:38 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,247 Oxford, AL. USA
Big Game Hunter
Doesn’t Know His Code
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Doesn’t Know His Code
Joined: Apr 2000
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Oxford, AL. USA
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Most Midwest guys hate out of state hunters; especially those of us from the south.
“We” ruined the Midwest.
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: Hogwild]
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05/22/19 04:44 AM
05/22/19 04:44 AM
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Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 2,668 Alabama
OlTimer
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Well, since I personally know several IL residents who are pretty serious trophy hunters......I am just gonna tell ya, they despise the ground that Out-of State hunters walk on! LOL Yep they do, and I just love seeing those Illinois tags at Gulf Shores every year eating at all the fine places that people on this site reveal. Bottom line "Suck it up".
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2812870
05/22/19 07:55 AM
05/22/19 07:55 AM
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 6,617 Hoover (poor section)
Johnal3
it froze over
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it froze over
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 6,617
Hoover (poor section)
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Most Midwest guys hate out of state hunters; especially those of us from the south.
“We” ruined the Midwest. Haha! Says the idiots that walk through public land during shotgun season shooting every tail they see.
This is Aldeer! The place people come to vent their frustrations and completely change their stance a few minutes later...
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Re: Out of state hunters
[Re: therealhojo]
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05/22/19 09:13 AM
05/22/19 09:13 AM
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Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,187 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
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alabama
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it ain't just OUT OF STATE..when I started hunting Wilcox Co in 1972 they called Bham folkshunting there BHAM SUMBITCHS....all of them.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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