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Ag vs. Pelletized Lime #2806449
05/13/19 10:34 AM
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In this video Bill is saying that 200 pounds of pelletized lime is the equivalent to a ton of crushed ag lime. If that's the case, we've put 30 tons on our fields and the pH didn't get the memo. What do the experts say?

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Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2806459
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Bill is full of feces.Physically impossible.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2806502
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Several years ago, after a soil test, I put 900 pounds of pelleted lime on a .6 acre plot. A year later I soil tested again and there was no change in the numbers. That is the only time I have used it.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2806751
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You must have received some bad lime. Pelletized lime is always good. It's not 200 lbs to a ton good, but good. Usually has a higher CCE, which means you can get by with less.

the truth of the matter is that if you put pelletized lime out every fall until your soil got the right ph, it would be worth doing that over fertilizing.

To understand how much less pelletized lime you can buy, consider this - according to the good folks at Auburn, their soil test recommendations are based on ground limestone that is 63% CCE. this is similar to other states, so here's a piece from the University of Kentucky on pelletized equivalents. You can look at your pellet lime CCE and do your own math.

Bulk ag lime sold in Kentucky has an average neutralizing value of 67% when averaged for all quarries. All lime recommendations in Kentucky are based on this value. Therefore, if the neutralizing value of pelletized lime is substantially higher than 67%, then the recommendation should be lower. The information to calculate the neutralizing value should be on the pelletized lime bag, and the method to calculate the neutralizing value can be found in publication AGR-106,University of Kentucky College of Agriculture. For example, a high quality pelletized lime source may have a neutralizing value of 85. If this is the case, the lime rate can be reduced to 78% of what would be recommended for bulk ag lime. This is calculated by dividing the average neutralizing value of ag lime by the neutralizing value of the pelletized lime being used (67 ”85= 0.78). In this case, 1560 lbs/ac of pelletized would be required to equal one ton of ag lime. If less than this amount of pelletized lime is used, the expected soil pH change will probably not be obtained. As can be seen from this example, the recommended rates of pelletized lime cannot be greatly reduced as compared to bulk ag lime.

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Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2807825
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Several products in the lawn care world that will save u time over pelletized lime. 450lbs per acre is the average of what it takes to bring it up one point. $13-15 a bag. It’s not cheap but it’s less work than using pelletized lime. Aqua-cap makes a great one that I use a lot


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Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2807851
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Something to think about is that pelletized lime, while convenient, is roughly 4x the cost of bulk AG lime even when you take into account the higher CCE of the pelletized. Basically $30-$35/acre on the AG and roughly $125/acre on the pelletized lime assuming your soil test calls for 2000lb of AG lime/acre.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: abolt300] #2807872
05/15/19 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Something to think about is that pelletized lime, while convenient, is roughly 4x the cost of bulk AG lime even when you take into account the higher CCE of the pelletized. Basically $30-$35/acre on the AG and roughly $125/acre on the pelletized lime assuming your soil test calls for 2000lb of AG lime/acre.



True, but lots of folks won't touch delivering a couple tons of bulk lime to small properties/fields.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2808296
05/16/19 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe4majors
Originally Posted by abolt300
Something to think about is that pelletized lime, while convenient, is roughly 4x the cost of bulk AG lime even when you take into account the higher CCE of the pelletized. Basically $30-$35/acre on the AG and roughly $125/acre on the pelletized lime assuming your soil test calls for 2000lb of AG lime/acre.



True, but lots of folks won't touch delivering a couple tons of bulk lime to small properties/fields.



Yea, unless you have a lot of plots co-op wont even come out and then your roads have to be wide and in great shape or they bitch about it.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2808357
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There are studies that I have found which equate a 1:10 ratio of pelletized lime to agricultural lime for short-term purposes......Here's a link from the University of Missouri for what it's worth:

Agricultural Lime Vs. Pelletized Lime

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Runningdeer] #2808384
05/16/19 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Runningdeer
There are studies that I have found which equate a 1:10 ratio of pelletized lime to agricultural lime for short-term purposes......Here's a link from the University of Missouri for what it's worth:

Agricultural Lime Vs. Pelletized Lime


Alright, I can buy that.

But let me ask...this 1:10 stuff, are we talking the regular ol' $4 a bag pelletized lime or the "fast acting" lime that's closer to $12?

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2808468
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I would think the difference between the two is that the rapid release lime is said to be even more potent than the average pelletized lime, thus covering more ground with less lime. Here's an article which might help:

Traditional Pelletized Lime Vs. Rapid Release Lime

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Runningdeer] #2808488
05/16/19 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Runningdeer
There are studies that I have found which equate a 1:10 ratio of pelletized lime to agricultural lime for short-term purposes......Here's a link from the University of Missouri for what it's worth:

Agricultural Lime Vs. Pelletized Lime



Maybe I read that wrong, but it seemed to me that they determined that the 1:10 ratio that was often used was just a waste of money.

Pelletized lime may be a little more effective than ag lime, but I don't think it's anywhere close to ten times more. I just bought 12 bags to put on a 1/4 acre plot, and I know I am skimping.


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Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2808502
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Yeah, I'm not sure either. here is what they said about corn:

Each pelletized lime rate was 1/10 of a corresponding agricultural lime treatment. Corn with agricultural lime increased in yield 20 to 45 bushels per acre. Yields from pelletized lime were averaged less than 5 bushels greater than untreated checks.

So, if you are growing corn (a nitrogen-hungry crop), then the theory of 1:10 doesn't work. Wheat is fairly nitrogen hungry.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2809257
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It's all about mesh size and soil type. The smaller the particle the quicker it will dissolve and the faster it will raise your ph. Clay soils take longer for the ph to rise. Sandier soils have a quicker response to lime, but don't last as long. Ag lime has varing particle sizes, which dissolve at different rates therefore lasting longer. Biggest problem, for most folks they just don't have enough plots to justify the co-op bringing it out. I add pelleted lime a little bit each season.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: blumsden] #2809261
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Originally Posted by blumsden
It's all about mesh size and soil type. The smaller the particle the quicker it will dissolve and the faster it will raise your ph. Clay soils take longer for the ph to rise. Sandier soils have a quicker response to lime, but don't last as long. Ag lime has varing particle sizes, which dissolve at different rates therefore lasting longer. Biggest problem, for most folks they just don't have enough plots to justify the co-op bringing it out. I add pelleted lime a little bit each season.



Dang good summary right there.

Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2810564
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I put out 12 ton (3 buggies at 4 ton each) from the Hamilton Co-op two weeks ago, going to pull a soil test this fall and see how much it helped. Pretty good deal from them buy the lime and they let you use their pull behind buggy, 4 tons is a a lot with a 1500 truck but it worked out ok I was able to get to most of my plots without hooking it to the tractor.


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Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2810596
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Good way to burn up a truck and wreck a buggy. That’s why we don’t loan out buggies right there


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Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2810713
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What 257 said. I NEVER load over 2 tons on a spreader.


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Re: Ag vs. Pelletized Lime [Re: Joe4majors] #2811408
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I'd hook up a buggy to a tractor in low gear, not a truck.


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