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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/13/19 08:55 PM
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Love em. Move the Barnes fast as you can accurately
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/13/19 10:09 PM
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Ive been shooting the Barnes TSX and TTSX with good results. I like pass thrus is why I originally tried the Barnes. I know a lot will say pass thrus dont dump their energy and that may be true but a hole poked thru both lungs makes a sucking chest wound and they dont go far. I have yet to recover but one Barnes bullet and it was shot long ways in a hog from front to back and was just barely under off side hams skin and it was mushroom perfection. I do think the TTSX expand a little quicker than the TSX and seems to leave a better blood trail but most will fall withen sight. Both types exit which I was not consistently getting from off the shelf loads with lead bullets on broad side shots.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: 257wbymag]
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02/13/19 10:49 PM
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. Love em. Move the Barnes fast as you can accurately Even if you go smaller to do it? I saw so 7mm 120g
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/13/19 10:55 PM
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Barnes likes to go fast so decrease bullet weight if necessary
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/13/19 10:58 PM
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. Love em. Move the Barnes fast as you can accurately Even if you go smaller to do it? I saw so 7mm 120g Very much so yes. Weight retention is huge. A 120 gonna act like a 140.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/13/19 11:18 PM
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I've had great luck with both the TTSX and the GMX.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/13/19 11:47 PM
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What kind of results have y’all experienced as far as terminal performance? Barnes or GMX. Thinking about loading some 140s up for the 280. I think you’d be very happy wirh 140 TTSX or 139 or 145 LRX with a 280. The 120’s are good too but they Peter out pretty quick past 300 yards due to low BC. The LRX’s open up a little better.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/14/19 12:08 AM
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Nothing beats a good old soft lead point.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Out back]
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02/14/19 06:20 AM
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Nothing beats a good old soft lead point. Several bullets will , and a Barnes TTSX is one of them.
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/14/19 06:23 AM
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I've had TERRIBLE results with the TSX in a 300 Weatherby. Make sure you use the TTSX.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: BrentM]
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02/14/19 06:51 AM
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What kind of results have y’all experienced as far as terminal performance? Barnes or GMX. Thinking about loading some 140s up for the 280. I think you’d be very happy wirh 140 TTSX or 139 or 145 LRX with a 280. The 120’s are good too but they Peter out pretty quick past 300 yards due to low BC. The LRX’s open up a little better. BC means nothing to the average guy shooting at average Alabama deer distances
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: UncleHuck]
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02/14/19 01:51 PM
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I dropped 3 in their tracks this year with Berger bullets, furthest at just over 200 yards.
OK, but this thread is about solid copper bullets....
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/14/19 02:21 PM
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Some I have talked to had good results with them. Others I've talked to haven't. I have only shot a few critters with them and all were bigger/tougher critters.
I personally think the solid cooper bullets are too hard for out small/soft Alabama whitetail.
Nosler Partition or Accubond bullets are hard to beat IMO.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: riflenut]
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02/14/19 02:34 PM
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What kind of results have y’all experienced as far as terminal performance? Barnes or GMX. Thinking about loading some 140s up for the 280. I think you’d be very happy wirh 140 TTSX or 139 or 145 LRX with a 280. The 120’s are good too but they Peter out pretty quick past 300 yards due to low BC. The LRX’s open up a little better. BC means nothing to the average guy shooting at average Alabama deer distances True but I’ve met Dixiepatriot and I consider him to be an above average guy.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: 2Dogs]
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02/14/19 07:10 PM
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Nothing beats a good old soft lead point. Several bullets will , and a Barnes TTSX is one of them. Nope.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/14/19 07:24 PM
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I’d go with the 120 TTSX and drive it maximum velocity i could, i was shooting 140’s and swapped to the 120’s for the fatter trajectory and energy. They shoot excellent in my 7rm, and never had one run from the 140 or 120.
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If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Out back]
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02/14/19 10:28 PM
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Nothing beats a good old soft lead point. Several bullets will , and a Barnes TTSX is one of them. Nope. Why do you think not? A solid bullet will penetrate further and retain more weight better than a cup and core bullet 99% of the time.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/14/19 10:36 PM
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Not an all copper bullet by any means, but I’ve been really impressed with the 120 grain NBTs in my 7-08 this year.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Out back]
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02/15/19 07:05 AM
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Nothing beats a good old soft lead point. Several bullets will , and a Barnes TTSX is one of them. Nope. You don't know near as much as you think you do.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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02/15/19 09:55 AM
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Not an all copper bullet by any means, but I’ve been really impressed with the 120 grain NBTs in my 7-08 this year. You opened a can of worms bringing ballistic tips into the conversation, LOL
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 10:49 AM
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I shoot a lot of Berger hunting bullets and I have had good luck with them in light fast calibers such as .25-06 and similar. I shoot some Barnes as well but they seem to be about a MOA bullet which is perfectly acceptable in most circumstances. If Barnes are MOA... Bergers are 1/2 MOA in my experience. That's the only reason I gravitate towards Berger.
I don't think you can make a great argument for stepping down bullet weight then shooting them out of a larger caliber gun.... like 7 Mag. Why? It will push a 160 nearly as fast as a 140. There is not advantage in shooting a tiny bullet. At that point you have changed the dynamics of what you are doing and instead of relying on the "killing power" of the larger caliber gun you have reversed course.... and you are now relying on bullet performance. The velocity is a moot point the trajectory and maximum point blank range are very close. The muzzle energy is nearly identical. As many issues as some have with their bullets entering the Bermuda Triangle and blowing up, not expanding, blah, blah. Why would I want to put all my stock in a tiny bullet with some kinda mythical and almost legendary on the internet expansion capabilities. Not this guy.
Recoil is the only reason I can get behind. IMO You should just shoot something smaller if that's the problem.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: joshm28]
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02/15/19 10:50 AM
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Nothing beats a good old soft lead point. Several bullets will , and a Barnes TTSX is one of them. Nope. Why do you think not? A solid bullet will penetrate further and retain more weight better than a cup and core bullet 99% of the time. I would say 100% of the time, but that's not necessarily the optimum performance for killing light skinned game like deer. I like some fragmentation, it creates a larger wound channel IMHO. I don't need a bullet to penetrate the deer and three trees behind it. Folks on here like to talk about how much energy you need to kill a deer, although I don't necessarily agree with that sentiment, but a bullet that zips through a deer with higher retained velocity also has taken that energy with it instead of transferring it to the deer. If the game is thick skinned, heavy boned and can fight back, I would definitely consider a Barnes. I just see no need for one on a little Alabama whitetail.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 10:54 AM
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This is very true. ^^^^
Nothing wrong with lots of energy.... I like it to drive a big bullet home and that works every time.
A 160 Sierra out of a 7 mag will blow a hole right through any whitetail in North America.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
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Looks like the bullet "blew up" to me. An intact bullet doesn't make a wound channel 18 inches wide. Honestly I'm really not that impressed with the photo to me that looks like a varmint bullet and a bad shot that raked the deer on the right rib cage about 6 inches deep but I'm not standing there cleaning it.
On the next thread someone will be crying about meat damage is the reason they think they need a Partition. Because it shoots a nice hole all the way through without a bunch of bloodshot meat.
Interesting bunch on this ALDeer board there is not doubt about that. Wondering in the Wilderness IMO.
This stuff is just NOT that hard. To me at least.
Shoot a deer with a 165 grain Sierra out of a 308/30-06 and tell me I'm wrong. You won't. I'll make a believer out of you.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Goatkiller]
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02/15/19 11:56 AM
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Looks like the bullet "blew up" to me. An intact bullet doesn't make a wound channel 18 inches wide. Honestly I'm really not that impressed with the photo to me that looks like a varmint bullet and a bad shot that raked the deer on the right rib cage about 6 inches deep but I'm not standing there cleaning it.
On the next thread someone will be crying about meat damage is the reason they think they need a Partition. Because it shoots a nice hole all the way through without a bunch of bloodshot meat.
Interesting bunch on this ALDeer board there is not doubt about that. Wondering in the Wilderness IMO.
This stuff is just NOT that hard. To me at least.
Shoot a deer with a 165 grain Sierra out of a 308/30-06 and tell me I'm wrong. You won't. I'll make a believer out of you.
That’s the exit the bullet went in the front on the other side shoulder. The wound is nowhere near 18 inches maybe softball size. As far as bad shot I don’t know what you consider a good shot but I got quite a few deer convinced that that’s a pretty good shot. I’ve shot dozens of deer with an 06 and a few with a Sierra. And I’m not knocking them but give me a Barnes any day.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 12:07 PM
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I like variety, and I use bullets from all of the major manufacturers except Speer. Some I pick for long range applications, some for woods hunting, and a couple for when I finally get to take that trip to Africa. For deer hunting, I want a bullet that expands rapidly at whatever range I'm hunting, so I choose a gun for that purpose. I don't believe that a mono bullet will reliably expand at 500 yards from my 308 when velocity has dropped to 1800 FPS , but a Hornady AMAX will. Likewise, a 150 gr Sierra GK from a 7X57 at 50 yards will make a devastating wound channel on a deer. The mono will do that also - for more than twice the price of a Sierra GK.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 01:02 PM
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Au! Don't talk no kinda ballistic common sense on Aldeer. I've loaded 40 rounds of Barnes and they worked...but no better than standards. Drt's look promising for nonhandloaders( dynamic research technology)
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 02:38 PM
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I don't want to come off like an a-hole which I am but don't mean to be towards anyone here. For the record I shoot all these bullets myself including Barnes. I think Berger shoots better but the Barnes has better performance. The only thing I don't shoot much of is Speer in rifle calibers. But I shoot a lot of Speer handgun. I probably have more Nosler Partitions and Accubonds on hand than anything but that is just because I don't shoot them up as fast since they are loaded for hunting. To me all copper bullets are a solution looking for a problem. Maybe California liberals are to blame. Give me one all copper with a very good design and high BC and I'm on board with shooting it. Otherwise - I don't have a reason.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 02:59 PM
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IIRC, the military is also pushing lead free alternatives, not just Kalifornistan.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 04:13 PM
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The only rifles I use Barnes TSX ammo in are my speed demons, .257WBYMag & .270WBYMag. Everything else gets Nosler Partitions or Accubonds. I have one A-bolt odd ball in .270Win that absolutely loves the 130gr GMX.
We’re not dead. We just smell that way. Dayum. - AC870
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Re: Solid copper bullets
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I absolutely love them in my daughters 223. She has killed 5 deer and quite a few hogs with the 62 grain ttsx. Some ran a little ways some fell right there, but they all seemed to bleed well.
I also shoot them in my 308, and I am undecided on them. I shoot the 130 ttsx at 3175 fps. They shoot well. If I do my part, the gun will almost put them into a half inch. I've shot 3 deer with them so far and they all died fine, but none left much blood.
The first was around a hundred yards. The deer was quartering to me some. I aimed for the shoulder and hit him just behind it. It exited in the flank then entered again in the ham and on out the other side. The deer ran right to me and probably would have fell at the bottom of the tree I was in. I had short stroked the bolt and tried to shoot him again. When the gun clicked, he looked up at me and ran back to where I shot him and fell over. Though he probably would have run only 100 yards, he ran about 200 yards and I didnt really see any blood. Might have been hard to find if I hadn't seen him fall.
The second one was shot quartering to me at about 100 yards. He only went 40 yards or so, but didnt leak any blood until right before he died and it wasnt much then.
The third one is the one that really got me to thinking. I shot him at about 60 yards. He was quartering away pretty hard. The bullet went in behind the shoulder and went out maybe a third of the way down his neck. He hit the ground hard and kicked around . I couldn't see him on the ground, but could see the grass wiggle a little for a little bit. I called my wife to bring the buggy and stepped out on the steps of the shooting house to pee. Bout the time I got done, I saw him get up and start trying to get gone. I grabbed the gun and shot him again, broad side this time. He fell pretty quick at the second shot and bled a good bit, but none at the first shot. If I couldn't have shot him again, I think he would have been hard to find.
I'm going to shoot a few more before I make up my mind, but I'm not sure I wouldn't have fared better with a NBT.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
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02/15/19 10:02 PM
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The issue for me is that the standard bullets work. No need for me pay a premium for Copper. X2
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Re: Solid copper bullets
[Re: Dixiepatriot]
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02/15/19 10:20 PM
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One advantage of the barnes is you can drive them as fast as you can and don’t have to worry about them coming apart, this yields flatter trajectory and more energy.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
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Re: Solid copper bullets
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I don't want to come off like an a-hole which I am but don't mean to be towards anyone here. For the record I shoot all these bullets myself including Barnes. I think Berger shoots better but the Barnes has better performance. The only thing I don't shoot much of is Speer in rifle calibers. But I shoot a lot of Speer handgun. I probably have more Nosler Partitions and Accubonds on hand than anything but that is just because I don't shoot them up as fast since they are loaded for hunting. To me all copper bullets are a solution looking for a problem. Maybe California liberals are to blame. Give me one all copper with a very good design and high BC and I'm on board with shooting it. Otherwise - I don't have a reason.
Weight sort and base to ogive measure your barnes I bet they will perform like the bergers. I've noticed a lot of variation in barnes bullets enough to effect groups at short ranges.
Keep your booger hooker off the bang switch.
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