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Cull buck question
#273536
01/30/12 10:44 AM
01/30/12 10:44 AM
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ford150man
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Do you consider a 2.5 year old deer with no brow tines a cull buck? If not, when does a deer with no brow tines become a cull? Or does it? A friend of mine killed a 2-2.5 year old 6 point that had no brow tines as a cull. I personally don't buy in to his line of thinking for such a young deer. In my opinion, the fact that he had 6 points with no brow tines, but was so young showed promise for the deer. I'm no expert though by any means. What do y'all think?
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
#273614
01/30/12 11:52 AM
01/30/12 11:52 AM
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Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 759 southwest alabama
aldoghunter
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No expert here,but I read once that brow tines are the #1 thing that are passed from 1 generation to the next by a buck.I lived in an area once that had a bunch of deer with no brow tines,it sure made me think about what I had read.
Be safe & have fun
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: 257wbymag]
#273669
01/30/12 02:18 PM
01/30/12 02:18 PM
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Posts: 4,467 Bama
Bulls eye
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Funny how little you heard the term " cull buck" used back in the seventies and eighties.....
Wasnt no such thing... If the sucker had antlers on his head, we shot him and was dang happy about it.....
Last edited by Bulls eye; 01/30/12 02:19 PM.
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
#273695
01/30/12 03:33 PM
01/30/12 03:33 PM
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Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 25,958 Prattville, Alabama
Skullworks
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We try to base it more on body weight and age characteristics than just antlers. If it is a large deer with apparent age that we have had on camera several years then we might take him out. We don't "cull" any young deer on purpose.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
#273702
01/30/12 03:57 PM
01/30/12 03:57 PM
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Posts: 2,775 Florida
jacannon
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On my lease a cull buck cost $100.00. So not too many get killed.
Grandma said...Always keep a gun close at hand, you just never know when you might run across some varmint that needs killing...
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: QDMAV8R]
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01/30/12 04:58 PM
01/30/12 04:58 PM
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Remington270
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Maybe we ought to coin a new phrase "Cull Hunter " Good idea- the idea of "cull bucks" is ridiculous for several reasons, let me count the ways: 1. At least half of the genetics of a herd lie in female deer, which have no antlers. 2. Read up on evolution, and see how long it takes for even a small change to take effect in a population... longer than any of our lifetimes, and surely not 10-15 yrs. 3. You can't be sure that a deer's poorly formed antlers aren't from an injury - which would not affect its genetics. I think itchy trigger finger accounts for most of the cull buck activity
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
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01/30/12 05:06 PM
01/30/12 05:06 PM
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Posts: 6,539 Birmingham
truedouble
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Do you consider a 2.5 year old deer with no brow tines a cull buck? If not, when does a deer with no brow tines become a cull? Or does it? A friend of mine killed a 2-2.5 year old 6 point that had no brow tines as a cull. I personally don't buy in to his line of thinking for such a young deer. In my opinion, the fact that he had 6 points with no brow tines, but was so young showed promise for the deer. I'm no expert though by any means. What do y'all think? There is no such thing as a 2.5 year old cull deer in Alabama. I understand the part about it not having brow tines and probably a good chance it never will, but I've seen some bucks with out brow tines that I would have put on the wall, that never would have gotten that way had they been killed when they were 2. Besides that factor in the doe has as much or more to do with antler characteristics coupled by the very very limited control you have over a free ranging herd on a relatively small tract of land (I assume you are hunting less than 10,000 acres) and you killing that 2 year old with no brows will do nothing for you expect give you one less 2 year old to make it to 3.
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
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01/30/12 08:25 PM
01/30/12 08:25 PM
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Matt Brock
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I wouldn't use cull for any 2 year old in bama. I've also seen bucks with zero indication of brow tines throw some impressive brows at 5 or older. Also seen brows disappear. You never know what they'll do, but if they are dead.....then you know what they won't do with certainty.
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: jacannon]
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01/30/12 08:32 PM
01/30/12 08:32 PM
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Posts: 39,449 Marshall County
FurFlyin
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Freak of Nature
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On my lease a cull buck cost $100.00. So not too many get killed. Is that enforced even if the hunter kills an actual cull? About 20 years ago at one of the private school hunts in SW AL a hunter killed a 145 lb spike. Most of the other hunters were ragging the guy for shooting a future hoss deer, until the jawbone was pulled. The jawbone said the deer was a 3 year old. What about spike on one side bucks? Still have to pay the fine? I know the genetic makeup of the herd can't be changed by killing a true cull buck but it is one less mouth to feed.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: Remington270]
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01/30/12 09:19 PM
01/30/12 09:19 PM
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Posts: 5,189 South Alabama
gobbler
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Maybe we ought to coin a new phrase "Cull Hunter " Good idea- the idea of "cull bucks" is ridiculous for several reasons, let me count the ways: 1. At least half of the genetics of a herd lie in female deer, which have no antlers. 2. Read up on evolution, and see how long it takes for even a small change to take effect in a population... longer than any of our lifetimes, and surely not 10-15 yrs. 3. You can't be sure that a deer's poorly formed antlers aren't from an injury - which would not affect its genetics. I think itchy trigger finger accounts for most of the cull buck activity Lucky you are not a biologist with that opinion - someone would be demanding that you post your resume to back it up
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
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01/31/12 07:52 AM
01/31/12 07:52 AM
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Posts: 2,493 Millbrook AL
SMB44
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10 point
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I have pics of a spike from some land I was gonna lease last yr I would guess him @ 4+ ... I would call that a "cull buck" and would have shot him had I gotten the land asap to make sure he didn't breed. Imo to say there is no such thing as cull bucks in bama is crazy. Also to say it takes lifetimes to have an effect on the heard is nuts cuz if I shoot what I think is a cull buck before the rut then he can not breed. Therefore heard affected .... If I continue that on my land as long as I have it .... I will have better class of bucks after some time...
Playin string music Hoyt Vector 32 Get Serious Get Hoyt
Alto, la migra means Stop, immigration in Spanish slang. They'll scatter like skittles dropped on a concrete floor. -Furflyin
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
#274109
01/31/12 08:09 AM
01/31/12 08:09 AM
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Posts: 5,391 Cleburne County
NortonZ7
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People saying there are no culls in Bama is a prime reason of our dynamite genetics around here. Go talk with some people who know how to grow big deer and do it for a living out west. They'll teach you how to cull.
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Re: Cull buck question
[Re: ford150man]
#274116
01/31/12 08:29 AM
01/31/12 08:29 AM
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Posts: 4,172 Trussville, Al
Jpipererp
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all of em are cull bucks unless a cull doe walks out.
we typically try to keep it to 3 or better on one side. still have monsters on our property.
Last edited by Jpipererp; 01/31/12 08:31 AM.
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