Swampfever posted about deer being resistant to CWD being worked on. Don't remember the details but a restocking program with those seems a possability. In other words, leave the deer already there alone, introduce CWD resistant deer into the existing herd, and see if it can be bred out. CW D would eliminate the non resistant ones over long period. Just a thought since at this point there is no good answers for getting it gone(as in the deer no longer get it even though it's still in the soil).

First let me commend you on dodging the affiliation comment. Second, he isn't the only one who has pointed out issues with the "prion only theory" (https://www.google.com/search?ei=_U...wiz.......0i71j33i299j33i160.5uLoPeNc658). Third the paper I linked (http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/000ADOBES/EISWisconsinCWD/EISDepopulation.pdf) clearly states that time required at "near zero" population for the disease to no longer be an issue when animals are reintroduced is unknown.

So I am with BhamFred the states plan to save deer herds from CWD by exterminating them is ridiculous the science doesn't support it being an overall effective measure. Further, Thankfully we live in a democratic republic, and we as individuals are allowed to voice our opinions and have some say in what happens on our own land. I think it is important that everyone who hunts is aware of the issues, and how the state currently plans to address CWD if it is found in Alabama. The state needs to also realize that they need public support for any of this to be effective and the current stance from the state is they intend to impose their will. Chuck Sykes is on record recently stating just that, maybe he could learn something from the push back in Pa before it becomes a major issue here. I know that maybe difficult for his arrogant self to understand considering how he currently looks down on the hunting public. My ultimate goal in this is to stir debate, and public involvement as this is truly all of our problem. I am clearly not a biologist but I am as dedicated a hunter as you will find as well, and I am concerned about this. My mentor is actually a fellow of the National Research Council and it looks like the NRC is going to get involved soon which maybe will help in some way.

There is some current research out of Texas regarding certain deer being less susceptible. I have the article at home will try to scan and upload it tomorrow. I think this was from the deer farming industry from what I remember.

There is a nasty rumor going around that the University of Tennessee maybe responsible in part for the recent appearance in Tennessee as well. The rumor indicates they brought some deer in from out west and had an accidental escape.

I don't know this to be true but apparently there was some discussion of it last night at the Florence meeting.

[quote=Shotts]

First let me commend you on dodging the affiliation comment.


I certainly hope he is not part of the DCNR since I caught him either in a lie or lacking knowledge of the subject.

He knows that is still here where everyone can see.

Centralia I am just failing to follow you buddy.

Originally Posted by centralala
It's been a good discussion and I appreciate all the feedback. 2 things for sure is it will always kill the individual deer but has never wiped out a herd. That never wiped out a herd is a big misconception that I had myself. I thought when CWD hits all the deer die. I think a lot of the casual hunters believe this. It's bad, we don't need it, but it's not the end of deer.

There is absolutely nothing I do or not do that is a direct threat of spreading this disease. Not that is known or speculated as spreading it at the moment anyway.

One thing that I keep going back to is how the very first animal got it? I've read the term "spontaneous naturally" several times as a possibility on how some animals get it. I just don't how this can not be true, especially with the very first animal. And if it happened once, surely it can happen again.



Come again? Is this some contest to plant the most misconception? How much are they paying you to dribble together random nonsense? Who are you even replying to?



Show ONE misconception in my statements that I was planting.

You’re still hung up on that thread, go ask me in that one I believe I responded to you.

You never gave ONE misconception. This is here for everyone to see that you are either a liar or you don't know enough about the subject. Prove me wrong. Give ONE misconception in my statement.

[quote=Shotts][quote=Swampdrummin]

First let me commend you on dodging the affiliation comment. Second, he isn't the only one who has pointed out issues with the "prion only” theory” [quote]

Shotts let’s not get ahead of ourselves. I should be commending you giving this another go after it took about 10 pages in the other CWD topic for you to concede that the macaque monkeys that got the disease got It after eating 5.5 kg of meat spread out over 2 years. More or less your argument went something like or the 7-8 kg monkeys were eating 5.5kg of brains at a time, repeatedly, and therefore testing wasn’t realistic.

Now you’re positing the “bacteria theory” for the sake of discussion, not because you believe it, but just for the sake of discussion. Again, just for the sake of discussion, if you put a healthy human prion in a bottle with a diseased CWD prion, it morphs the human prion into a diseased prion. This happens in the absence of bacteria.

Based on your explanation to centralala go ask me that response in the other thread.

I didn't say I believed the bacteria theory or that I didn't, I said it was gaining a lot of press and support. The discussion I was driving is the public got fed up with the states "kill them to save them" approach in PA and pushed back that was the point. Yet you and some portion of your "state" buddies don't see that issue we peasants should respect your authority without question and just shut up and color. As for the human prion in a bottle comment you make "if you put a healthy human prion in a bottle with a diseased CWD prion, it morphs the human prion into a diseased prion."[i][/i] so simply placing the two in a test tube will turn the human prion into CWD? Funny you boldly make that statement yet the best I can find is it took to 2004 before CWD replication was published and then it required much more than placing the two together (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867408009501).

And since you don't like mixing threads when it serves you, how long do you and your buddy Chuckie believe we have to maintain near zero levels of deer on a property to make sure reintroduced animals don't risk infection of CWD? You were the one who quickly pointed out Bastian was a quack for disputing the "established" doctrine, I just want to give you the same opportunity to demonstrate your "quackery" for going against the established doctrine on extermination and future reinfection.

IF that is true, it may be the dumbest move sine the original research at FT Collins.

Centrala, I have been studying CWD since 1980 when a LOT of the original studies/documents were still available. By 1990 one researcher studied all known cases of CWD in the US/Canada. He found he could backtrace EVERYSINGLE CASE of CWD to Ft Collins. EVERY SINGLE CASE. Look at a current map of known CWD cases and see the huge dense cloud of markers just north of Ft Collins..the "endemic" area where infected mule deer does were released after fawning in the research pens. EVERY single arrow points to Ft Collins at the birthing place of CWD. There was no "spontaneous" outbreak of CWD or the map would be more spread out with multiple endemic areas.

Spontaneous naturally is the defenders of Ft Collins denying they started it. But they did.

Thus the use of words like "possibility" . I've read a lot on it and certainly don't have the answers. There are so many thoughts on how it's transmitted it really is a mystery. What is not a mystery is individual deer that get it die, a herd has never been wiped out by this disease, and it's bad and we don't need it it. Those are facts. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or they don't know what they are talking about. I certainly hope Swampdrummin doesn't work for the DCNR spreading false information or showing incompetence. If he does we are in a world of hurt in Alabama. He has dodged giving that one misconception he spoke of like a politician.

I believe I was once again quoting established doctrine by believing the best way to fight a disease with no known cure is to try to establish some sort of quarantine.

I missed the answer to the question there quack quack care to answer directly? How long do you and Chuckie plan on maintaining "near zero" population to effectively eliminate future infection once repopulation is allowed? There is no established doctrine for depopulation to effectively eliminate future infection, this has been published widely, depopulation does not prevent future infection. Sure you can play games with the numbers and kill 95% of the population and then state you reduced presence of CWD but that doesn't make it true.

Y'all keep on pushing this "kill them to save them" bulldoodoo and see how that works out when the public fully understands your intentions.

Shotts, I have proven this guy a liar or incompetent. Only he knows which. Are you going to believe anything he says at this point?

Yeah Shotts, are you? Quack quack.