Clem, I highly doubt people wanting to know more about the plan and to know more about why WE have to PAY for some security force will create MORE problems. That is a load of BS.

It is OUR land, and our tax payer money funding this plan. We actually have a RIGHT to know. Maybe you dont care, but I surely want to know a lot more. A lot of us do.

No one is talking about a revolution but YOU.

What we WILL do is NOT report any dam dead deer and then the problem will get BIGGER because people do not like the unknown.

Heck, two of my neighbors have track hoes. We can just bury the dam deer on our own and not say a freaking word. Take us maybe 10 minutes.

THAT is what NOT informing the public or answering their concerns will get.

Because sure enough, unless WE hear some answers that is how we will deal with it. On our own and NOT tell Fish and game a dam thing about any dead deer.

5 minutes with a trac hoe and a couple bucks worth of fuel. No problem..problem solved.

Heck they dont want to inform the public over their legitimate concerns? Then why should the public inform THEM of problems of their concerns? It will take the public helping to address the problem...but they wont with unanswered questions.

Im sure a lot of folks will take the same approach as well.

How did we get to revolt, shooting people, and suing from asking a question about what the threat is where a security team is needed?

1. A "security force" would need some more explanation. I agree. Never disagreed about that.

2. SwampHunter said this: "And it's going to get UGLY if the state really tries to carry it out."

That's not an invitation for potted meat and a Coke. If it's not at the worst a suggestion for a revolution then I don't know what it is.


I never said that no one doesn't have a right to know. Nor did I say it's something folks should just roll over and take. Nor did I say I didn't care - so don't assume about that. You're smarter than that, I know, and I know you and others care a lot about all this.

Asking questions is great. Even suing if you believe that's the right course of action is fine. Hell, marching on Montgomery and at the CAB meeting in January and whatever might be needed. I ask questions and want to know more, too. Just because I'm not pounding a fire-spouting pitchfork into an internet forum doesn't mean I'm not asking folks things.

But it's not like this initial protocol hasn't been done in other states and is still being done. And it will be done in Kentucky and Georgia and the Carolinas and any other state where CWD is found there.

LOL - Read your post several times. It will answer your question for you!

I haven't read all of the responses thoroughly, but have you tried contacting AL WFF/DCNR directly and not a couple of employees that are members on a hunting website? If that fails, contact your State Reps/Senator, the news media, ...

Heck, I see things on here all the time related to my line of work and I dang sure ain't responding in any kind of official capacity (or even acknowledging that I know anything about it). We have folks, as does the State, that get paid to be official spokesmen/women for the company/organization.

How many people went to the Meetings that were held all over the State about this????

The Plan, as drafted, is in the original post!!!

Why all the questions on an internet forum???

Because a DCNR employee posted it here.

As a courtesy and convenience so that you don't have to take the time to go try to find it yourself. Say thank you and if you have issues with what it says, schedule a meeting with Chuck and take it up with him.

Yeah you stupid idiots and ugrateful a-holes, just shut up and say thank you for the brilliant mind that is Chuck and show your appreciation for the hired armed Security Force that comes along and wipes out the deer on your property.

I thank Matt for posting it. I LIKE Matt. I appreciate him posting it up.

And yes, I emailed Chris Blankenship and Chuck Sykes over it.

Im pretty sure no one knew that at these meetings they were planning all this. I highly doubt there was any mention of Security Forces at the meetings as well, but maybe I was wrong.

They were called "Hunters Night Out" and it seemed that they were discussing the validity of CWD but I didnt hear they were laying out this plan while at those meetings. It seemed much more just a way of getting hunters to understand CWD and discuss it.

I dont think the "Security Forces" are going to kill the deer, they are just going to "Protect" the "Shooting Teams" doing the shooting from any angry landowners and/or neighbors.

Possibly arresting them or even using FORCE against them on their OWN Property, in case they get upset over the large scale killing taking place on THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY because that is a very American way of doing things! The STATE Forcing it on the land owners on their Own Property for the "Greater good".

Im sure the federal "Gun confiscation teams" will also have "Confiscation teams" AND "Security Teams" guarding them when they come for conservatives guns when the libs take over. And no one sees a problem here?

Oh..if it was the feds coming for your guns at your house, YOU ALL WOULD have a problem with it.

Funny how people see things from different perspectives. I mean..this "Response Plan" is for "the greater good".... But wait!..Isnt that what the libs say about gun confiscation.

Come on guys..the STATE or government knows best!

Some times the hypocrisy here is hilarious.

I was there and that is a correct assessment.

I know others that went and that was their feedback as well....

One thing about it, if the state does need to kill some deer for sampling, there is no shortage of them along the highways of our area and every one they kill will be one less $5,000 to $15,000 comp claim in my office!

Where to start.... as most know from my previous post here I follow this pretty close and I purposefully posted the “security force” to stimulate exactly this public discussion. The state DCNR and CAB have serious issues about how they are handlthing this even in the “response plan” planning phase. Their are a couple of PACT groups forming up to push for changes to the plan now, how successful they will be is yet to be determined but for those of you who truely care about the future of hunting even if it is in a post CWD Alabama maybe you should get involved in the discussion.

As for the revolt centralala mentioned I hope it doesn’t take that but I can assure you there are certain parties who will go exactly to that extreme if it comes to it. I know that sounds ludicrous considering it’s just an animal but if the state comes out without any judicial process and decides to destroy something you have worked for, your vey livelyhood in some cases what extreme would you go too? In regards to the high fence operation depopulated that is a different circumstance all together as they were actively breaking state and federal laws by transporting deer across state lines. The case went to court and the high fence owner lost the depopulation was part of the legal process and there for there was due process.

As for wanting to know what the state is thinking anyone of us are free to file a FOIA request and gain access to the DCNR’s “papers” regarding this matter. I am honestly surprised it hasn’t been done yet and suspect it will happens soon, along with the papers on the SOA. Why not that is one of our rights as tax papers to keep public servants honest. As for the state boys sure would hate for some of them to go “Clinton bleach bit” crazy after reading this and end up breaking the law.

DR Kroll AKA Dr Deer wrote a story on Wisconsin and stated the facts Not something I dreamed up Go to utube and watch Keith Warren In Texas They killed over 600 on a farm there and I think the farm owner now is in a law suit for the cost of all the deer I hope they ream their @$$ Threre was a deer farm in Missouri they killed everthing after one trophy buck was shot and texted for cwd they killed everthing

Miss killed 774 and la killed 300 last march april may u can look it up

If CWD is found inside a fenced deer farm then I'm all for Chuckie going in, killing them all, and torching the place. However, I don't see mowing down an entire wild population as being a reasonable way to deal with it.

The plan states that it would be with permission and full cooperation of private landowners. I took that as the landowner says "no" they just move on until they get a "yes". By the plan, it's voluntary. So, there is no threat from private landowners. I was just curious at the perceived threat. Now with no answers, I'm growing skeptical.

And the whitetail population will survive and go on.