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Re: Pope Changing Lord’s Prayer [Re: WallyGator0928] #2671438
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Originally Posted by WallyGator0928
I'm not a fan of the pope or modern day Catholicism in general. On this topic however, after reading the article, it seems that he's not changing the scripture at all (the original Greek/Aramaic/Hebrew) he's recognizing a mistake in the translation from his experts that caught it. If that is the case then I don't see a problem with it, especially if a board of others agree with the change. His reasoning for it I also agree with, that God would never lead us into temptation. Also when Jesus said the Lord's prayer it was designed to be a model for how to pray and it has become something that is repeated verbatim. The bible warns against chants, repeating things, etc as the pagans do (one beef I have with Catholicism). The same people that would get all up in arms about this strike me as the same ones who believe you should only read the KJV of the Bible. It's all just translations of scripture that was God breathed in other languages. If you really care that much about the true words then learn Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic and read the original transcripts.



Good post.

Re: Pope Changing Lord’s Prayer [Re: AC870] #2671450
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Originally Posted by AC870
I think we hate the Royals because we ain’t forgot George and 1776.
Somehow the Revolution came up the other day.
I told the wife “Do you realize how big an upset this was? It was UT-Chattanooga beating Bama by 2 TDs. Then we played again a few seasons later and we did it again.”


Except in your analogy UT Chattanooga would have had had a bunch of Clemson players and coaching staff helping them out...

Re: Pope Changing Lord’s Prayer [Re: ikillbux] #2671479
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Originally Posted by ikillbux
Originally Posted by Murdoc123
Yes sir you did, It’s all I have ever used or studied or has been the standard at any church I have attended. I do have a KJV study Bible in which people contribute there thoughts and ideas on verses and text. If that makes makes me ignorant for believing in one specific translation and nothing else than I guess I’ll be ignorant.


Murdoc, I didn't read Mr. Clark's statement in any way to be condescending as you took it. Far be it from me to say something about being overly-sensitive ( grin I'm awful about it), but I think you might be on this matter. He said it was ignorant for the church to have a pulpit with a literal engraving of "KJV only", sort of in a sarcastic tone as if that church believed the KJV was the only true word of God. Perhaps you'd have to know that there's this weird sub-belief in the realm of Christendom that the KJV is the "real" Bible, and if your church isn't using it, then you're a heretic. THAT is ignorant. The KJV is fine and dandy, Mr. Clark doesn't believe there's anything wrong with it. You aren't ignorant for using it, he doesn't believe that.

Just my personal stance has always been: The KJV is simply a word-for-word translation of the original texts. (IMPORTANT NOTE: THE KJV IS NOT THE ORIGINAL TEXT, IT IS A TRANSLATION JUST LIKE ALL OTHER VERSIONS) However, it's written in centuries-old English (thou's, thereto's, herefore art thou unto thine???....daheck that even mean? laugh ) So if I could use an equal word-for-word translation that uses modern English (ESV for example), which is how you and I actually talk, why wouldn't I? If the same passages infer the same meanings, but you insist on using a Bible that's written in virtually another language (because you believe it's different or better somehow), then that could reasonably be called ignorant.


Yes,I thought I clarified when I spoke well of the KJV. I never said anyone was ignorant for believing the KJV. If that was all that was available you would be just fine. It is a very accurate translation,but it is not without it's problems if one wishes to really learn what God said.

What I said,and I repeat,is that I think it is ignorant of anyone to have the attitude that only the KJV is of any value. Yes,we have to guard against trash from paraphrases and such but that is what the Holy Spirit is for. I can't understand any Christian not wanting to understand as well as possible exactly what God said. It is not until you start studying original languages that you understand the limitations of the 1611 English translation. They did the best they could but just knowing the gender of a word in Greek changes the whole meaning.

Re: Pope Changing Lord’s Prayer [Re: R_H_Clark] #2671569
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My bad I misunderstood your meaning.

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