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Duck and Geese trip
#2667133
12/09/18 09:58 AM
12/09/18 09:58 AM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 11,347 Prattville AL
ElkHunter
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Booner
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Headed to Arkansas later this morning for a 3 day hunt. It is looking good for the weather for those days. The sun is finally going to come out again!
Will try to update.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: AU coonhunter]
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12/09/18 01:29 PM
12/09/18 01:29 PM
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cartervj
Old Mossy Horns
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I hope this front pushed some new birds down. The reports from the last week have been terrible. Yea, everyone I know headed back Saturday, we were heading over but I doubt it now. Strange year, we have had Golden Eyes here on the river for almost a month, they are late season birds. We had a lot of early birds that flew on to parts south probably. Hopefully y'all will have birds EH, I've heard of a few spots holding decent numbers in and around the timber
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/09/18 03:46 PM
12/09/18 03:46 PM
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marshmud991
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We have very few ducks left in our area of SW la. There was a decent amount of birds at the beginning of the season and good hints were being had. Lots of blue wing teal and gadwalls. Well all the cold weather pushed the blue wings out and then they started struggling. By the last week of the season, lots of the guys I know weren't even going anymore. Even the marshes were doing poorly. O heard some good reports down along the coast around Creole and Grand Chenier. Hopefully the 2nd split will be better.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/09/18 07:24 PM
12/09/18 07:24 PM
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TickaTicka
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Most reports are slow, but there's a few places killing em pretty good.
Won't know unless you go.
Public Land Owner
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/10/18 01:45 PM
12/10/18 01:45 PM
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Posts: 558 Flomaton/Dothan
olcountry
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Just postponed my trip to SE Missouri looks like rain and guy said no birds
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: JayHook2]
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12/10/18 02:12 PM
12/10/18 02:12 PM
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Goatkiller
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Once more I'm so glad we went to dry ground specks over ducks. You made a wise choice. I went to South LA last week. Some birds around but we didn't have the kind of hunt we normally have. Been slow in West TN. The good ole days have come and gone unless everything up north is locked up this is getting harder and harder as each year passes. We use to have holes we could shoot every day for 40 years and in the past 10 it has gotten tougher every year.
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: Goatkiller]
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12/10/18 02:18 PM
12/10/18 02:18 PM
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Posts: 3,870 SE Bama
Bull64
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The good ole days have come and gone unless everything up north is locked up this is getting harder and harder as each year passes. We use to have holes we could shoot every day for 40 years and in the past 10 it has gotten tougher every year.
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: Bull64]
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12/10/18 04:33 PM
12/10/18 04:33 PM
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marshmud991
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The good ole days have come and gone unless everything up north is locked up this is getting harder and harder as each year passes. We use to have holes we could shoot every day for 40 years and in the past 10 it has gotten tougher every year.
This... I've been saying this. When I was growing up we killed more ducks and geese in our back yard than most people see in a lifetime. I live right in the transition from marsh to rice fields. I'm surrounded by some of the best duck habitat in the state of Louisiana. The hunting has been getting worse and worse for the last 15yrs or so. Our farm is 6k acres and the landowners work and flood no less that 1k acres plus they flood most of the rice stubble and don't hunt it, just trying to hold birds. 20yrs ago you wouldn't be able to stand it around those field because they would stink so bad because of all the ducks a geese in them. I saw decent groups of teal and pintail twice so far this winter. They were there one day and gone the next. I don't know what is happening but I don't like it. Lots of guys I know are telling me they are not renewing their leases because it's not worth it. The sad part is my kids love to hunt and I want nothing more than to take them hunting but like they said, they done want to go out and just watch the grass move. I really hope they make a come back so they can experience some of what we did growing up.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: marshmud991]
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12/10/18 05:21 PM
12/10/18 05:21 PM
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Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,726 Harvest, AL
AU coonhunter
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The good ole days have come and gone unless everything up north is locked up this is getting harder and harder as each year passes. We use to have holes we could shoot every day for 40 years and in the past 10 it has gotten tougher every year.
This... I've been saying this. When I was growing up we killed more ducks and geese in our back yard than most people see in a lifetime. I live right in the transition from marsh to rice fields. I'm surrounded by some of the best duck habitat in the state of Louisiana. The hunting has been getting worse and worse for the last 15yrs or so. Our farm is 6k acres and the landowners work and flood no less that 1k acres plus they flood most of the rice stubble and don't hunt it, just trying to hold birds. 20yrs ago you wouldn't be able to stand it around those field because they would stink so bad because of all the ducks a geese in them. I saw decent groups of teal and pintail twice so far this winter. They were there one day and gone the next. I don't know what is happening but I don't like it. Lots of guys I know are telling me they are not renewing their leases because it's not worth it. The sad part is my kids love to hunt and I want nothing more than to take them hunting but like they said, they done want to go out and just watch the grass move. I really hope they make a come back so they can experience some of what we did growing up. Do you think that more people up North are managing for waterfowl now and the birds are staying until they are absolutely frozen out?
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/10/18 08:03 PM
12/10/18 08:03 PM
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marshmud991
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I'm not sure what's going on. Some say it's the changes in farming practices. Some say it's to many crawfish ponds. Combines are to efficient and not leaving any grain behind. To many fields are now being worked up in the fall and there is nothing for the birds to eat. The ducks and geese don't eat these new varieties of rice. Hell I've heard just about everything you can imagine. I think they just don't have the numbers and the few birds that make it down has no place to rest because every field or pothole in the marsh has a blind in it. Duck blinds are big money and some people will pay for the blind. Just like we pay for deer leases. I think pressure is the main factor in our area. Just my opinion
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: marshmud991]
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12/11/18 11:31 AM
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Posts: 657 South Baldwin
JayHook2
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I'm not sure what's going on. Some say it's the changes in farming practices. Some say it's to many crawfish ponds. Combines are to efficient and not leaving any grain behind. To many fields are now being worked up in the fall and there is nothing for the birds to eat. The ducks and geese don't eat these new varieties of rice. Hell I've heard just about everything you can imagine. I think they just don't have the numbers and the few birds that make it down has no place to rest because every field or pothole in the marsh has a blind in it. Duck blinds are big money and some people will pay for the blind. Just like we pay for deer leases. I think pressure is the main factor in our area. Just my opinion EVERY PLACE MIZZOU TO THE GULF IS HUNTED!!!! Bingo! Very little rest area!
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: marshmud991]
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12/11/18 12:20 PM
12/11/18 12:20 PM
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Posts: 21,783 USA
Remington270
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Combines are too efficient and not leaving any grain behind. I've heard this one too. Doesn't really make sense though, because a harvested corn field sprouts up a whole new field of corn before the last frost. They're leaving a bunch behind still.
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Re: Duck and Geese trip
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/11/18 12:48 PM
12/11/18 12:48 PM
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Goatkiller
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marshmud - just FYI we were hunting White Lake didn't have a great hunt. Birds just didn't want to work and there were a lot of blue wings in there so I don't know if that is normal down there year round, you would have to weigh in on that, blue wings in TN or MS during the regular season would be a rare occurrence. Claiming a late migration this year doesn't make sense with the kind of weather we have had.
This is what I think has happened to us - The seasons went to 60 days in the mid 1990's with the plan on staying there for financial reasons. When they moved to 60 days I read the report that justified that move and it basically is an economic white paper. It had little to do with actual duck numbers only to say that we had more ducks then than we had ever had and somehow that has never changed since no matter what the counts have been. They have always been at or near record numbers of birds. Based on prior experience I have always found that odd.
Reset the table with 60 day season... What that did was allow the people in the Northern 1/3 of the flyway more opportunity to hunt. They all got an increase to 60. Then they spread seasons out with different zones and different season dates that overlap. Previously they had to "guess" at the season dates and at some point they typically got iced or snowed out. That all changed. Now they can waterfowl hunt for literally 3-4 months if they have multiple leases or hunt public waterways. That's a lot more hunting pressure in general.
The second major impact of going to 60 days was to justify your Federal Gov, DU and other organizations to grant all these people WRP acres where your Gubberment spent our stamp revenue, tax dollars, matching funds, etc. to improve habitat. People basically got duck holes built for free to enhance habitat, yet these are not refuges. People hunt on them. They lease and guide on them and we will talk a bit more about that in a minute. Over the last 20 years they have build more and more and more private duck habitat in the Northern 1/3 of the flyway. Over 25 years the amount of Acres obviously increases substantially if this is a steady program. FYI - I think Alabama sends nearly ALL out State Stamp money up North it sure does not appear they use hardly any of it around here.
Short Stopping - This is not a new subject back in the 80's we all claimed they were short stopping ducks by dumping out corn on refuges and we made all kinds of ridiculous claims. I think that was mainly just hot air. They spent money on refuges in those days to be fair but I don't think there was anywhere near the investment in private holes.
Another change along those same lines - A farmer in Iowa use to not bother with Waterfowl hunters. He might get iced out and putting water on the field was not optimal for Spring soil conditions and hurt yeilds. They just didn't bother with it. They couldn't get big money for the lease. Fast forward to 2018...
1) a 60 day seasons is now a total lock....
2) Also consider that today a lot of farm revenue comes from non-farming revenue generating activities, i.e. such as setting up entertainment venues for something like a wedding, bed and breakfast, and the one HUGE revenue produced - Hunting Leases or Guiding. They are looking for other revenue streams.
3) An explosion of duck hunters with the Duck Commander popularity.
Result - Millions of acres now leased and hunted that 25 years ago did not.
To me the trend has been steady and I just think that now we have finally reached the proverbial "crossover point" where the hunting is just never going to be what it use to be. 10 years ago we would still get good pushes of birds on these weather fronts and today even those appear to be dwindling away. "They" should focus more on spending our money in the Southern Flyway now. Spend money on the LA Marsh and improve Southern Flyway Refuges. Look at Wheeler here in our own state of Alabama. They could use a LOT of monetary help in the form of projects. They could expand Swan Creek by building more de-watering areas, etc. Is that even on anyone's radar in this State with our own Stamp revenue? NO. What about AL power they don't have a single waterfowl unit on a single river in this entire State. What do we do.. send our stamp money North along with everyone else.
Obviously if we have record numbers of birds every single year they have done a fantastic job up North. Now is the time for that to End in the North and they need to spend money on the Southern Flyway. That may have little impact but the bottom line is the need to STOP building more habitat up North of us it has hurt our hunting and there is NO DOUBT about that.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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