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Re: Hog Problem
[Re: Ben2]
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11/19/18 11:18 AM
11/19/18 11:18 AM
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BayedUp
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Bayed up you are not comparing apples to apples. You are comparing a finished product dogs to a process of trapping. Compare em both in their entirety and it looks more like this.
Say I have a group of 10 hogs show up on your property (not swamp land that is loaded with hogs). You have option A or option B.
Option A: You pay $3000 or more for a trap. You go set it up, Prebait it and wait a week. When the stars all align and they are all in the trap you drop the gate.
Currently I am at $40 a hog all expenses have been paid and no more will arise and my cost per hog will only decrease. (Ben2 actual cost of hogs in 1 yr)
Option B: You call ole Dog hunter and ask if he has any dogs for sale. You buy 4 of them for $1000 you buy dog food, shock collars, GPS collars, kennels spend 100 hrs training them then when they are ready you take them to the property where the 10 hogs have become 85 hogs and you catch 3. $333.33 per hog. Then a hog kills dog 2 and we have to buy a new dog 2 and start over again. The cost per hog continues to rise.
Now correct me if I’m wrong but with option A the landowner spends a good bit of money and possibly does a lot of waiting. While the dog owner spends a lot of money and does more waiting with less results.
Obviously you kill the piss out of hogs but 1 dog cant kill the number 1 trap can It's not feasible and not a fair comparison the trap is run by humans the trap does not make errors. While a dog is a dog and makes mistakes and is a 1 pig at a time option. Both are good but not equal or even close
You definitely don’t have a clue how guys with true hog dogs work. You aren’t gonna call a dog man and get him to sell his dogs. You aren’t gonna buy a hog dog worth shooting for $1000 much less 4. And if a dog is for sale then he has a problem somewhere waiting for you to find it. Not to mention a guy with 10 hogs isn’t going to go buy dogs. That would make no sense. He wouldn’t have anything to hunt in less than a week. That would be almost as stupid as him spending $3000 on a trap for 10 hogs. If he had a hunt able population of hogs then it would be a different story. You and I both can spin this anyway we want and the only difference is I am saying that everything that ends with dead hogs is a valuable piece of the puzzle when trying to control the population and you are saying you’re way is the only way and everyone should go buy a $3000 trap instead of working with people that simply want to help for “FREE” or in my case pay to catch hogs. I gave you a example where both options would work one option was free and effective and the other was expensive and effective. And you came back with an example that option B made absolutely no sense for the landowner to do.
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Re: Hog Problem
[Re: BayedUp]
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11/19/18 11:38 AM
11/19/18 11:38 AM
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Ben2
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Bayed up you are not comparing apples to apples. You are comparing a finished product dogs to a process of trapping. Compare em both in their entirety and it looks more like this.
Say I have a group of 10 hogs show up on your property (not swamp land that is loaded with hogs). You have option A or option B.
Option A: You pay $3000 or more for a trap. You go set it up, Prebait it and wait a week. When the stars all align and they are all in the trap you drop the gate.
Currently I am at $40 a hog all expenses have been paid and no more will arise and my cost per hog will only decrease. (Ben2 actual cost of hogs in 1 yr)
Option B: You call ole Dog hunter and ask if he has any dogs for sale. You buy 4 of them for $1000 you buy dog food, shock collars, GPS collars, kennels spend 100 hrs training them then when they are ready you take them to the property where the 10 hogs have become 85 hogs and you catch 3. $333.33 per hog. Then a hog kills dog 2 and we have to buy a new dog 2 and start over again. The cost per hog continues to rise.
Now correct me if I’m wrong but with option A the landowner spends a good bit of money and possibly does a lot of waiting. While the dog owner spends a lot of money and does more waiting with less results.
Obviously you kill the piss out of hogs but 1 dog cant kill the number 1 trap can It's not feasible and not a fair comparison the trap is run by humans the trap does not make errors. While a dog is a dog and makes mistakes and is a 1 pig at a time option. Both are good but not equal or even close
You definitely don’t have a clue how guys with true hog dogs work. You aren’t gonna call a dog man and get him to sell his dogs. You aren’t gonna buy a hog dog worth shooting for $1000 much less 4. And if a dog is for sale then he has a problem somewhere waiting for you to find it. Not to mention a guy with 10 hogs isn’t going to go buy dogs. That would make no sense. He wouldn’t have anything to hunt in less than a week. That would be almost as stupid as him spending $3000 on a trap for 10 hogs. If he had a hunt able population of hogs then it would be a different story. You and I both can spin this anyway we want and the only difference is I am saying that everything that ends with dead hogs is a valuable piece of the puzzle when trying to control the population and you are saying you’re way is the only way and everyone should go buy a $3000 trap instead of working with people that simply want to help for “FREE” or in my case pay to catch hogs. I gave you a example where both options would work one option was free and effective and the other was expensive and effective. And you came back with an example that option B made absolutely no sense for the landowner to do. My point was dogs are not free and in fact to the owner are more expensive than the trap. I guess offering to put my trap up for the land owner with 10 hogs and not charging him would be the same as you taking your dogs to the property. I just contend that the odds of a trap catching 10 hogs with minimal intrusion on the property is more viable than people with dogs running, baying, killing. Either way is fine. The hunters with dogs I know of that hunt some friends places are satisfied with the dogs running the hogs off their properties. They do kill a few hogs but they tell me the pressure of the dogs running them pushes them off the property for a time and that is the result they desire.
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Re: Hog Problem
[Re: Cbonner15]
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12/08/18 09:33 PM
12/08/18 09:33 PM
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Posts: 11,347 Prattville AL
ElkHunter
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We have recently become over run with hogs on our land. Trapping no longer works, and shooting them doesn't seem to help. Any recommendations? What type of traps were you using?
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: Hog Problem
[Re: Cbonner15]
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12/09/18 07:33 PM
12/09/18 07:33 PM
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Jakethesnake
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Re: Hog Problem
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/13/18 04:58 PM
12/13/18 04:58 PM
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Robert D.
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We have recently become over run with hogs on our land. Trapping no longer works, and shooting them doesn't seem to help. Any recommendations? What type of traps were you using? I'll hazard a guess and say root door or guillotine door style traps. They catch a few, then the others stand outside the trap and see what happened. Trapping quit being effective? I bet it did. Hogs are some of the smartest animals in the wild and a standard trap as described above probably "educates" 2 hogs for every one you catch. Once they are trap shy, only a dog or one of Elkhunter's traps (and a bunch of patience) will get them. Nighthunter (likely one of the most knowledgeable posters still active on AlDeer) has it right. There is no one way to treat a hog problem, although there can be several wrong ones. Every (effective) method should be employed.
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Re: Hog Problem
[Re: JayHook2]
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12/14/18 10:16 AM
12/14/18 10:16 AM
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Posts: 11,347 Prattville AL
ElkHunter
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Breaker, Breaker,,Calling Don Bradford...you out there? This is your kind of thread! Come Back Don is a thermal guy now. He has switched camps! LOL
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: Hog Problem
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/14/18 01:46 PM
12/14/18 01:46 PM
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BayedUp
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Breaker, Breaker,,Calling Don Bradford...you out there? This is your kind of thread! Come Back Don is a thermal guy now. He has switched camps! LOL I think he done like a lot of older dog men has done. When his old Shiner dog died his interest did to.
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