Elk in high fences all around me. Have had them on my property several times from fences being downed.

I have a question. Not sure if it has been addressed or not. Since just about the entire state feeds deer corn at some point during the year, and since plants can take up the CWD protein, could the corn we feed be giving the deer CWD if the corn comes from a state and area that has the disease in the ground?

slippin, read the last two paragraphs of the link below.

https://www.agweb.com/article/chronic-wasting-disease-a-time-bomb-for-agriculture-naa-chris-bennett/

Good article. Thanks

Well you just opened a can of worms... Makes sense. The prion can be passed through urine or feces and is small enough for cellular uptake in plants, so a CWD positive deer eating and defecating in a corn field would presumably be able to transmit to the plant. I wonder if anyone has ever tested that to see if it holds in the stalk, leaf, or grain only, or if its present throughout the entire plant.

Wait, wait. You're talking about taking on Big Ag along with the deer corn/feeding industry over a disease they wouldn't care about. They've already begun banning urine even though I've yet to see a confirmed, legit, bonafide anything that says prions defintely 100 percent can be passed through urine and feces. If that confirmed research is available I'd like to see that.

The urine bans have been as a "preventative" measure. Banning corn or finding out that corn (or beans) might transmit CWD prions would merely cause billion-dollar Big Ag to shrug and say "Tough chit, my corn is more valuable than deer."

But it's definitely an interesting question.

the deer urine ban was more than likely a lobby effort by synthetic urine manufacturers kinda like the trophy rock. CWD was a convenient explanation of the decision.

It was not. The "synthetic urine manufacturers" were selling natural urine as well, from big companies to small.

so we wont allow urine but will allow a butchered up quartered whole deer from another state as long as the spinal cord and brain matter are removed? if cwd can pass thru urine, saliva, blood etc as some claim why cherry pick and ban one thing and not another? what happens when you wash out the cooler that CWD butchered up deer was in and dump it outside did CWD just get introduced into the ecosystem? about 90% of the stuff they say about CWD is contradictory and I don't think anyone really knows what they are talking about you can't even test for it you can only see the damage caused by it inthe brain tissue how do we know it's not in every part ofthe deer

That's not entirely accurate...

You can test for it, however those test's aren't 100% fool proof yet. They miss early positives, or those still in the incubation period. If they can figure that out, there'll be a lot of happy breeders. Probably still a long time coming IMO.

Dunno.


I merely answered your allegation that "synthetic urine manufacturers" got the natural urine bans put into effect. They did not. They were selling natural urine as well, with a lot of hunters who use deer urine choosing "the real stuff" over synthetic.

Thank you.

Research has shown it to reside in low to high levels in the following: brain/nervous tissue, skeletal system, heart, kidney, and lymph nodes/system.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3783112/

Thanks again.

Hey Nighthunter, what about saliva?

A huge body of evidence suggests that CWD can be efficiently transmitted horizontally within and between cervid species,12 which may be the reason for geographical spread and increase in case numbers. Horizontal transmission is explained by the rather unusual peripheral distribution of prions in CWD affected animals and the high susceptibility to the disease by oral infection.13,14 Unlike in most other prion diseases, CWD prions can be found in a wide variety of tissues, such as skeletal and cardiac muscle15,16 or kidney,17 in addition to the lymphoreticular system and blood.18 Furthermore, they are shed in significant amounts in saliva,18,19 urine19 or feces,20 which enables oral infection of animals by foraging on contaminated pastures. In addition, it has been demonstrated that prions can persist in soil21 and that water in endemic areas can contain CWD-associated PrPSc 22.

This is in the NCBI link that Nighthunter posted above.

Bodily fluids too, I just didn't repeat that since it was in the initial linked article.

Go down to table 1 on the first linked study

That stinks.....

I've seen this type information out there before. My question is why are prions more readily found in saliva than in urine. Is there something in the body chemistry that potentially filters or degrades a prion? There may be a simple explanation to you vet's or medical professionals...