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Value of clear cut land #2649244
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How much is land typically discounted if it has been clear cut and not replanted? No road frontage or utilities.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2649366
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That is a big ol mystery question. Location and what it is going to be used for, number of acres, access, a lot of variables. I wouldn't want to pay over $800 an acre.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2649487
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In So Cullman Co about $1000/ac.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2649490
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As much as your willing to pay. I saw some in Marion Co a few years ago for 600. But that was was before Trump.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2649541
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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2649568
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Timber investors have cooled on planting or investing in plantation pines. Opens up opportunities for the recreational buyer . More folks opting for natural regeneration, wide roads, bigger foodplots, lake or pond. Nice if the parcel at least has some SMZs. In my area, $900-1100 for what u have described.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Turkeyboy] #2650069
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Originally Posted by Turkeyboy
Timber investors have cooled on planting or investing in plantation pines. Opens up opportunities for the recreational buyer . More folks opting for natural regeneration, wide roads, bigger foodplots, lake or pond. Nice if the parcel at least has some SMZs. In my area, $900-1100 for what u have described.


I'm not familiar with SMZ's. Can you learn me?

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Streamside Management Zone, leaving a strip of timber uncut along sides streams and creeks to prevent erosion , tops and limbs from clogging the stream and such.

http://www.forestry.alabama.gov/Publications/BMPs/Streamside_Management_Zones.pdf

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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Turkeyboy] #2650091
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Originally Posted by Turkeyboy
Timber investors have cooled on planting or investing in plantation pines. Opens up opportunities for the recreational buyer . More folks opting for natural regeneration, wide roads, bigger foodplots, lake or pond. Nice if the parcel at least has some SMZs. In my area, $900-1100 for what u have described.


Depends on the area and tons of other factors. Truth is, any landowner doing that is not the definition of “timber investor” anymore. That land can be classified as something else. A timberland company may do that to a small piece of land or a fraction of ownership, but that land is not timberland anymore technically.

Timberland owners in my area have not and will not “cool” on planting, managing, and maintaining sustainable pine plantations. Of course, where I work currently, if you find a decent hill with a view anywhere - you can see the smoke stacks of some type of mill.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2650625
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IMHO if a landowner has an intention of selling a tract of land, the last thing he should do is clear cut the timber. Offer the land as is, with a cruise showing the potential buyers the value, and let them cut the timber if they want to.

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Thanks for all of the feedback.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Turkeyboy] #2650741
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Originally Posted by Turkeyboy
Timber investors have cooled on planting or investing in plantation pines. Opens up opportunities for the recreational buyer . More folks opting for natural regeneration, wide roads, bigger foodplots, lake or pond. Nice if the parcel at least has some SMZs. In my area, $900-1100 for what u have described.


Agree. Timberlands are transitioning into recreational tracts in No Alabama. IP Courtland affect and more disposable income

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2651061
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I walked a 150 acre tract this week listed for $650/acre that was not worth it. Maybe $500...maybe. Poor dirt and topography. It actually was replanted in pine.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2652961
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If you are in south Alabama as your user info suggests, you could range anywhere from 500-1000 per acre for just dirt, in my opinion if no road frontage of any kind (how do you get there?). Other factors would be, how long ago was it clear cut? It is just a big huge mess? Is it small or large tract? What's on it? Where is it? In short, not enough information.

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Timber is no longer a good investment. I've been saying this on here for years and getting chastised for it. Takes a couple of Wall Street Journal articles before anyone else is on board.

Even at 500-1000 per acre for just the dirt depending on your financial situation.... how many on here have an extra $200k laying around to dump into "recreational property" that gets a poor return. You can certainly do that but unless you can truly afford to have $200k sitting not making squat for you I would advise against it. For some there is more to life than money so to each their own. You'll have some great memories and an empty wallet.


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Originally Posted by Goatkiller

how many on here have an extra $200k laying around to dump into "recreational property" that gets a poor return. You can certainly do that but unless you can truly afford to have $200k sitting not making squat for you I would advise against it. For some there is more to life than money so to each their own. You'll have some great memories and an empty wallet.


Yep. With that $200,000 in a safe, dividend bearing stock, you could make $1,000 a month doing absolutely nothing.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: Goatkiller] #2653944
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller


Timber is no longer a good investment. I've been saying this on here for years and getting chastised for it. Takes a couple of Wall Street Journal articles before anyone else is on board.

Even at 500-1000 per acre for just the dirt depending on your financial situation.... how many on here have an extra $200k laying around to dump into "recreational property" that gets a poor return. You can certainly do that but unless you can truly afford to have $200k sitting not making squat for you I would advise against it. For some there is more to life than money so to each their own. You'll have some great memories and an empty wallet.



Disagree. I’ve made a small fortune tree farmer 😂

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: ALFisher] #2653949
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Originally Posted by ALFisher
If you are in south Alabama as your user info suggests, you could range anywhere from 500-1000 per acre for just dirt, in my opinion if no road frontage of any kind (how do you get there?). Other factors would be, how long ago was it clear cut? It is just a big huge mess? Is it small or large tract? What's on it? Where is it? In short, not enough information.



There isn't a specific tract I'm interested in but I would like to acquire one someday. I just wanted to get some opinions on the value of undesirable property as a starting point.

Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: bambam32] #2654194
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Originally Posted by bambam32
Originally Posted by ALFisher
If you are in south Alabama as your user info suggests, you could range anywhere from 500-1000 per acre for just dirt, in my opinion if no road frontage of any kind (how do you get there?). Other factors would be, how long ago was it clear cut? It is just a big huge mess? Is it small or large tract? What's on it? Where is it? In short, not enough information.



There isn't a specific tract I'm interested in but I would like to acquire one someday. I just wanted to get some opinions on the value of undesirable property as a starting point.

There ain’t no such think as undesirable land these days Bambam.


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Re: Value of clear cut land [Re: RiverWood] #2654265
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Originally Posted by RiverWood
Originally Posted by Goatkiller


Timber is no longer a good investment. I've been saying this on here for years and getting chastised for it. Takes a couple of Wall Street Journal articles before anyone else is on board.

Even at 500-1000 per acre for just the dirt depending on your financial situation.... how many on here have an extra $200k laying around to dump into "recreational property" that gets a poor return. You can certainly do that but unless you can truly afford to have $200k sitting not making squat for you I would advise against it. For some there is more to life than money so to each their own. You'll have some great memories and an empty wallet.



Disagree. I’ve made a small fortune tree farmer 😂


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