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Current doe harvest philosophy?
#2643936
11/18/18 04:56 PM
11/18/18 04:56 PM
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ronfromramer
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Back,in the day when we were on DMP, they recommended killing the previous years does vs the more mature does. I've got a lot of deer and need to put a doe or 2 in the freezer. We also have a lot of coyotes and believe they are taking a lot of fawns since I see a lot of mature does without fawns. What is the current management thinking on killing 1 1/2 yr old doe vs mature doe. I don't shoot does with fawns present. I can be selective since I hunt a lot and have lots of opportunities. Like to get it done early in the season. I'm sitting here with muzzle loader watching 3 does and I'm about to let the 1st one that gets within 100 yds make the decision for me
Last edited by ronfromramer; 11/18/18 05:03 PM.
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: Mbrock]
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11/18/18 06:44 PM
11/18/18 06:44 PM
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ronfromramer
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Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter. 10-4. I've gone soft hearted in my old age. If its got a big old rack, I might still be mad enough to whack them. I was on my home place, kind of like shooting pets, but they do eat good
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: Mbrock]
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11/18/18 08:00 PM
11/18/18 08:00 PM
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Be_Cam
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Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter. So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option?
A friend, the Bible and a banker will get you though about anything.
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: ronfromramer]
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11/18/18 08:06 PM
11/18/18 08:06 PM
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Yep. Doe is a doe. Kill it
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: Be_Cam]
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11/18/18 08:11 PM
11/18/18 08:11 PM
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Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter. So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option? Yep. Dead's dead. Shoot one, load it. head home, eat.
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: Be_Cam]
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11/18/18 08:16 PM
11/18/18 08:16 PM
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Mbrock
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Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter. So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option? If you shoot a mature doe with fawns you may upset the hierarchy temporarily. No big deal. The fawns will be fine. Worrying about their well being is more of an emotional decision rather than a scientific one. They’ll restructure. If you shoot a young doe (1 yr old) you’ve killed a deer that had its most productive life ahead of it. In the long run it don’t matter. They’re all reproducing and having fawns. They all have a place in the social structure. From a food stand point, a mouth is a mouth. If they need removing, or even if they don’t, and you just want one for the table, pull the trigger and don’t second guess your decision.
Last edited by Mbrock; 11/18/18 08:17 PM.
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: ronfromramer]
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11/18/18 08:24 PM
11/18/18 08:24 PM
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I like Matt’s way of thinking
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: ronfromramer]
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11/18/18 08:27 PM
11/18/18 08:27 PM
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I usually shoot the biggest with a firearm and best opportunity with a bow. We don't shoot any after mid December. Won't take one out if she has spotted fawns or are by themselves with any fawn because I will be feeding the yotes so to speak if I do,
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: ronfromramer]
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11/18/18 08:30 PM
11/18/18 08:30 PM
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I shot one this morning. Had a group of 5 come across and I shot the heaviest one. I'm still stress free.
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: Mbrock]
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11/18/18 08:39 PM
11/18/18 08:39 PM
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Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.
It is easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled.
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: Mbrock]
#2644179
11/18/18 08:42 PM
11/18/18 08:42 PM
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Be_Cam
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Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter. So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option? If you shoot a mature doe with fawns you may upset the hierarchy temporarily. No big deal. The fawns will be fine. Worrying about their well being is more of an emotional decision rather than a scientific one. They’ll restructure. If you shoot a young doe (1 yr old) you’ve killed a deer that had its most productive life ahead of it. In the long run it don’t matter. They’re all reproducing and having fawns. They all have a place in the social structure. From a food stand point, a mouth is a mouth. If they need removing, or even if they don’t, and you just want one for the table, pull the trigger and don’t second guess your decision. [quote=Be_Cam][quote=Mbrock]Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter. :thumb up
Last edited by Be_Cam; 11/18/18 08:43 PM.
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: ronfromramer]
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11/18/18 10:50 PM
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I will shoot any doe that come by that has a decent size to her. Simply cause the little ones might be a button buck and they aren't worth the $ at the processors for 40 lbs. But the thing That will a doe shot instantly is if she sees me or blows at me. The smart ones gotta die. I want stupid deer.
I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore I believe in work, hard work. -George Petrie (1945)
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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy?
[Re: ronfromramer]
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11/19/18 01:41 PM
11/19/18 01:41 PM
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Ron,
I have read some articles on this in various deer hunting magazines.
IIRC they basically said that 3.5 yo and older does were the best breeders and best passers on of survival tactics for younger deer. So the authors of those articles were suggested that it was better to kill the younger does - yearlings and 2 yo.
I have never read that these older does more often had does instead of bucks, as someone mentioned up thread. I would like to see some literature on that.
I think Matt is obviously right that "herd dynamics" eventually equalize out.
For me, with the processor fees so high now it only makes sense to kill the biggest doe, and hopefully it is also smartest fussiest spotter doe.
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