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Current doe harvest philosophy? #2643936
11/18/18 04:56 PM
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Back,in the day when we were on DMP, they recommended killing the previous years does vs the more mature does. I've got a lot of deer and need to put a doe or 2 in the freezer. We also have a lot of coyotes and believe they are taking a lot of fawns since I see a lot of mature does without fawns.
What is the current management thinking on killing 1 1/2 yr old doe vs mature doe. I don't shoot does with fawns present. I can be selective since I hunt a lot and have lots of opportunities. Like to get it done early in the season.
I'm sitting here with muzzle loader watching 3 does and I'm about to let the 1st one that gets within 100 yds make the decision for me

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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2643967
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I have always been told the younger does eat more then the mature doe. If you killing them to help with the habitat then you want to kill the younger doe.

Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644002
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Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.

Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644024
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I very rarely shoot a doe. I saw a little fawn yesterday in NW Pike county that might have weighed 8 pounds, covered in white spots..

Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: Mbrock] #2644046
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.


10-4. I've gone soft hearted in my old age. If its got a big old rack, I might still be mad enough to whack them. I was on my home place, kind of like shooting pets, but they do eat good

Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: Mbrock] #2644127
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.


So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option?


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644133
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Yep. Doe is a doe. Kill it


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: Be_Cam] #2644136
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Originally Posted by Be_Cam
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.


So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option?



Yep. Dead's dead. Shoot one, load it. head home, eat.


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644140
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The little ones eat the best.......

Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: Be_Cam] #2644141
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Shoot the mature, wiser, more likely to snort and have doe offspring doe's....Leave the young tender ones that the big bucks love to love... wink


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: Be_Cam] #2644143
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Originally Posted by Be_Cam
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.


So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option?


If you shoot a mature doe with fawns you may upset the hierarchy temporarily. No big deal. The fawns will be fine. Worrying about their well being is more of an emotional decision rather than a scientific one. They’ll restructure. If you shoot a young doe (1 yr old) you’ve killed a deer that had its most productive life ahead of it. In the long run it don’t matter. They’re all reproducing and having fawns. They all have a place in the social structure. From a food stand point, a mouth is a mouth. If they need removing, or even if they don’t, and you just want one for the table, pull the trigger and don’t second guess your decision.

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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644152
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I like Matt’s way of thinking


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644159
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I usually shoot the biggest with a firearm and best opportunity with a bow. We don't shoot any after mid December. Won't take one out if she has spotted fawns or are by themselves with any fawn because I will be feeding the yotes so to speak if I do,


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644162
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Personally, I dont think we have enough deer around here to kill any does. How would one go about figuring out the deer population in a particular area in order to come up with a doe kill recommendation? We personally havent killed a doe in 4yrs, and I try to plant more food every year. I have a reasonable goal in mind, as far as what I would like to see on a regular basis, if not daily. Does are being killed around me and I cant control that. I am talking about a small segment of land, not a 5000acre lease. Pretty large expanse of woods on one side, sparsely residential on the other. Again my question is: in an area like I have described, how would one figure out a good doe kill recommendation.

Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644164
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I shot one this morning. Had a group of 5 come across and I shot the heaviest one. I'm still stress free.


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: Mbrock] #2644175
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: Mbrock] #2644179
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by Be_Cam
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.


So you’re saying or yearling doe, or a old mature 3+ years old are the same? Don’t matter which one you kill if you have the option?


If you shoot a mature doe with fawns you may upset the hierarchy temporarily. No big deal. The fawns will be fine. Worrying about their well being is more of an emotional decision rather than a scientific one. They’ll restructure. If you shoot a young doe (1 yr old) you’ve killed a deer that had its most productive life ahead of it. In the long run it don’t matter. They’re all reproducing and having fawns. They all have a place in the social structure. From a food stand point, a mouth is a mouth. If they need removing, or even if they don’t, and you just want one for the table, pull the trigger and don’t second guess your decision.

Originally Posted by Mbrock
[quote=Be_Cam][quote=Mbrock]Way over thinking this. Shoot a doe if you need to. Which one don’t matter.


:thumb up

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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644226
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I agree with the fellas that said “don’t matter” and the guy saying “little ones eat the best”.

It ain’t like anyone is really making a dent in the population

Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644393
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I will shoot any doe that come by that has a decent size to her. Simply cause the little ones might be a button buck and they aren't worth the $ at the processors for 40 lbs. But the thing That will a doe shot instantly is if she sees me or blows at me. The smart ones gotta die. I want stupid deer.


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Re: Current doe harvest philosophy? [Re: ronfromramer] #2644830
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Ron,

I have read some articles on this in various deer hunting magazines.

IIRC they basically said that 3.5 yo and older does were the best breeders and best passers on of survival tactics for younger deer.
So the authors of those articles were suggested that it was better to kill the younger does - yearlings and 2 yo.


I have never read that these older does more often had does instead of bucks, as someone mentioned up thread.
I would like to see some literature on that.

I think Matt is obviously right that "herd dynamics" eventually equalize out.

For me, with the processor fees so high now it only makes sense to kill the biggest doe, and hopefully it is also smartest fussiest spotter doe.


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