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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Skullworks]
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11/07/18 09:50 PM
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Clinton? I'm confused, wasn't it Bush that started homeland security after 911
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: James]
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11/07/18 09:52 PM
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Clinton? I'm confused, wasn't it Bush that started homeland security after 911 This article is from 2011 when Obama was president and Clinton was Sec of State
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: James]
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11/07/18 09:52 PM
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Clinton? I'm confused, wasn't it Bush that started homeland security after 911 Yep.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: James]
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11/07/18 09:53 PM
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Clinton? I'm confused, wasn't it Bush that started homeland security after 911 Ahhh gotcha my bad.
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Reyn]
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11/08/18 01:09 AM
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Alabama is already in this boat not from a “Red Flag” law but from PFA statues. If you being a male are accused by a gf or wife irregsrdless of evidence the local sheriff will in most cases come remove all of your firearms as soon as the PFA is signed by DA and served. This can happen without a single act of violence or threat requires only a female to show up and claim to a sympathetic DA that they feel threatened. No due process no court hearing you will just have your second amendment rights violated for the “greater good”.
Sure there are extreme cases where this is needed but in Alabama something like 80% of these are dismissed when you actually get to court 30 or so days later long after your rights are violated.
So for those that say thank goodness you don’t live in Maryland or Cali it can and does happen daily in Alabama.
Deputies here (this county) won’t take firearms. The PFA may instruct them to surrender them but they will not go in a home without a search warrant. A PFA does not authorize to search a residence. Agreed but in Marion county I can assure you they will come In without a warrant, and remove them from a locked safe against your protest. They will throw 38 firearms in one pile in the back seat of a sheriffs deputies Tahoe without regard or interest in you trying to get them to place your $50k worth of guns in cases before doing so. It cost me $8700 but I beat their ass in court an had it dismissed with prejudice which makes it extremely difficult for the same person to file something similar again. However this took 45 days and two court appearances and a damn good lawyer. My only regret is not having sued the DA and deputies after it was settled, but this false claim triggered a clearance investigation and I figured it was better to let sleepingndogs lie but I regret it till this day.
Life is difficult Science prevails over bulldoodoo and superstition every time
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Shotts]
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11/08/18 08:06 AM
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Alabama is already in this boat not from a “Red Flag” law but from PFA statues. If you being a male are accused by a gf or wife irregsrdless of evidence the local sheriff will in most cases come remove all of your firearms as soon as the PFA is signed by DA and served. This can happen without a single act of violence or threat requires only a female to show up and claim to a sympathetic DA that they feel threatened. No due process no court hearing you will just have your second amendment rights violated for the “greater good”.
Sure there are extreme cases where this is needed but in Alabama something like 80% of these are dismissed when you actually get to court 30 or so days later long after your rights are violated.
So for those that say thank goodness you don’t live in Maryland or Cali it can and does happen daily in Alabama.
Deputies here (this county) won’t take firearms. The PFA may instruct them to surrender them but they will not go in a home without a search warrant. A PFA does not authorize to search a residence. Agreed but in Marion county I can assure you they will come In without a warrant, and remove them from a locked safe against your protest. They will throw 38 firearms in one pile in the back seat of a sheriffs deputies Tahoe without regard or interest in you trying to get them to place your $50k worth of guns in cases before doing so. It cost me $8700 but I beat their ass in court an had it dismissed with prejudice which makes it extremely difficult for the same person to file something similar again. However this took 45 days and two court appearances and a damn good lawyer. My only regret is not having sued the DA and deputies after it was settled, but this false claim triggered a clearance investigation and I figured it was better to let sleepingndogs lie but I regret it till this day. I don’t blame you for being angry. Sounds like you got a raw deal.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Out back]
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11/08/18 08:30 AM
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This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others. Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece. If you think about it the niece may have been trying to get him killed. Kind of like women falsely accusing men of rape to ruin their lives. There are some very cruel people out there looking for a way to get back at people. Cops have got to learn to step back and resolve conflicts a different way instead of instigating confrontations sometimes too.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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11/08/18 09:15 AM
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When I go down,I will take several with me. It's amazing what some of you dumbasses will say on a public forum.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: James]
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11/08/18 09:20 AM
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Clinton? I'm confused, wasn't it Bush that started homeland security after 911 Ahhh gotcha my bad. Yep, Good ol W gave us biggest invasion of privacy in history. Then went on to create the super effective airport security and famously incompetent FEMA. Let's not forget that he also allowed the world to believe that we didn't find WMDs in Iraq, all because his daddy is the one who gave them to Iraq, when he was head of CIA in the 80s.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Hayzeus]
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11/08/18 09:29 AM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. You are wrong. Please explain.
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Powpow65]
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11/08/18 09:39 AM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. How does their boots taste? And do you ever get use to it? I wouldn’t know, by some miracle I’ve managed to live most of my life without getting in a shootout with the police over a law I didn’t agree with. Do you believe the second amendment applies to every U.S. citizen without restriction? Think about what you just asked but replace 2nd amendment with 1st or 4th or which ever amendment you want. It's the same question. Do you not think all citizens have the same freedoms? Actually there are restrictions to both the 1st and 4th, in some cases when and where due process is observed. I'm probably a more devoted strict constitutionalist than many (or most) of y'all, but I will admit with common sense that some people do not need to own guns. It's making that determination where I draw a very thin and very firm line. When a police officer or a military service member decides to draw that line and disobey the unlawful order, he has a protocol by which he can voice his objections and make his grievance. But that doesn't mean the task or mission won't be continued by his team members or his commanders, until or if the order is recended. I'm willing to go down fighting against the leftists and the socialist agenda. But damn I hope we don't have to fight with our law enforcement, who quite often are just as conservative as we are.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Skullworks]
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11/08/18 09:39 AM
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When the cops are using deadly force to enforce unconstitutional laws they are no longer cops, they become traitors. They do have a choice to not follow such orders. I will respond with whatever force necessary to prevent such treasonous action.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Powpow65]
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11/08/18 09:59 AM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. How does their boots taste? And do you ever get use to it? I wouldn’t know, by some miracle I’ve managed to live most of my life without getting in a shootout with the police over a law I didn’t agree with. Do you believe the second amendment applies to every U.S. citizen without restriction? Think about what you just asked but replace 2nd amendment with 1st or 4th or which ever amendment you want. It's the same question. Do you not think all citizens have the same freedoms? So does the Baker Act in Florida violate the 4th amendment in your opinion?
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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11/08/18 10:16 AM
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When I go down,I will take several with me. why you got a reason to get flagged? Pretty bold statement to be posting there, for someone just doing their job.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: chad1980]
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11/08/18 10:45 AM
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When I go down,I will take several with me. why you got a reason to get flagged? Pretty bold statement to be posting there, for someone just doing their job. Similar to how the Nazis running the gas chambers at the concentration camps were 'just doing their job'
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Skullworks]
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11/08/18 11:14 AM
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This is the biggest load of garbage I have ever seen. Not to say its what happened, but a apparently a miffed relative can get your guns taken away, get you jailed or even killed in this case.
If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than I am now. -Clark
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: AU338MAG]
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11/08/18 11:17 AM
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When the cops are using deadly force to enforce unconstitutional laws they are no longer cops, they become traitors. They do have a choice to not follow such orders. I will respond with whatever force necessary to prevent such treasonous action. The problem is interpreting the constitution as it is written. 2nd reads, right to bear arms. That right shall not be infringed. It doesn't mention firearms. Shouldn't the people have the same weapons the Government has access too? Why not nuclear weapons or chemical weapons. What about citizens whose religion is Islam. Shouldn't they as citizens be able to have access to those same weapons wherever and whenever they want? I do believe in the right to bear arms. I do not believe that entitles every citizen to have whatever they want. If someone uses the second amendment statement that "shall not be infringed" PERIOD. and doesn't think it through then they aren't thinking. I don't trust the Government completely but it is a necessary evil in certain circumstances. The problem with society is as a whole is wanting their cake and eat it too. LEOs took blame for the Florida shooting because they had numerous calls about the shooters mental stability and didn't act. When did LEOs become mental health professionals? Their job is to enforce the law. Determine what law is broken and deal with it. If it's a mental health issue then they call mental health them and get direction on what to do next. The whole "protect and serve" has gotten blown out of what it is supposed to mean. People call LEOs because their kid wont behave or there is a snake in the house or DHRs job about kids living in bad conditions. A man in a mask is walking by an elementary school carrying an M4. Should LEOs make contact or is he exercising his 2nd amendment? Is he breaking the law? How many parents would call or rush to a school if they heard that was happening? How many would blame LEOs or show concern if they didn't check it out and something happened?
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Reyn]
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11/08/18 12:08 PM
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When the cops are using deadly force to enforce unconstitutional laws they are no longer cops, they become traitors. They do have a choice to not follow such orders. I will respond with whatever force necessary to prevent such treasonous action. The problem is interpreting the constitution as it is written. 2nd reads, right to bear arms. That right shall not be infringed. It doesn't mention firearms. Shouldn't the people have the same weapons the Government has access too? Why not nuclear weapons or chemical weapons. What about citizens whose religion is Islam. Shouldn't they as citizens be able to have access to those same weapons wherever and whenever they want? I do believe in the right to bear arms. I do not believe that entitles every citizen to have whatever they want. If someone uses the second amendment statement that "shall not be infringed" PERIOD. and doesn't think it through then they aren't thinking. I don't trust the Government completely but it is a necessary evil in certain circumstances. The problem with society is as a whole is wanting their cake and eat it too. LEOs took blame for the Florida shooting because they had numerous calls about the shooters mental stability and didn't act. When did LEOs become mental health professionals? Their job is to enforce the law. Determine what law is broken and deal with it. If it's a mental health issue then they call mental health them and get direction on what to do next. The whole "protect and serve" has gotten blown out of what it is supposed to mean. People call LEOs because their kid wont behave or there is a snake in the house or DHRs job about kids living in bad conditions. A man in a mask is walking by an elementary school carrying an M4. Should LEOs make contact or is he exercising his 2nd amendment? Is he breaking the law? How many parents would call or rush to a school if they heard that was happening? How many would blame LEOs or show concern if they didn't check it out and something happened? Well said. There is no cookie cutter approach to this issue. This is why it is important to have judges with integrity and common sense when interpreting the law and LE officers with common sense and good judgement in enforcing the laws as they have been interpreted by the court system and not themselves. This all starts with the hiring process and attracting the best candidates. Unfortunately, with the low pay in the profession, many agencies are forced to accept any person that meets the basic qualifications. Then after hiring only the best, we must be willing to continuously educate them. Which again takes money that gov'ts are unwilling to pay in today's world.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: AU338MAG]
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11/08/18 12:28 PM
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When I go down,I will take several with me. why you got a reason to get flagged? Pretty bold statement to be posting there, for someone just doing their job. Similar to how the Nazis running the gas chambers at the concentration camps were 'just doing their job' This is the second dumbest comment yet. I am sure that if the guy would have come to the door like a normal person and engaged the police in a professional manner all of this would have been avoided. Comparing this to the horrors of holocaust makes you sound like a typical liberal piece of trash. I dont like the idea of a relative turning me in and having my guns taken away. However there are better ways of handling a situation than getting your ass shot by or shooting at police officers. Lots of jumping to conclusions here that sound a lot like the BLM people when a black person is shot. Let the story play out and see what happens. No need in getting online talking sheet about what you would do to cops and then comparing said cops to Nazis.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: chad1980]
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11/08/18 12:42 PM
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When I go down,I will take several with me. why you got a reason to get flagged? Pretty bold statement to be posting there, for someone just doing their job. Similar to how the Nazis running the gas chambers at the concentration camps were 'just doing their job' This is the second dumbest comment yet. I am sure that if the guy would have come to the door like a normal person and engaged the police in a professional manner all of this would have been avoided. Comparing this to the horrors of holocaust makes you sound like a typical liberal piece of trash. I dont like the idea of a relative turning me in and having my guns taken away. However there are better ways of handling a situation than getting your ass shot by or shooting at police officers. Lots of jumping to conclusions here that sound a lot like the BLM people when a black person is shot. Let the story play out and see what happens. No need in getting online talking sheet about what you would do to cops and then comparing said cops to Nazis. The comment was in reference to just doing their job. Throughout history, people have been murdered, tortured and had their rights trampled under the guise of people 'just doing their job' . THAT is the dumbest comment for justification of this MURDER.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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