Just curious does the angle of the dangle rule apply to crossbows and modern high speed compounds? Just curious since things have came along way since then. My first bow that I hunted with was my dads old bow he gave me when I was 14 it was a fred bear whitetail 2. I don't know what the let off was on that thing but at the age I was when I was using it felt like it was a 2% let off that bow and me had a pretty hard learning curve back then. I missed a nice 6 point which educated me that a deer can duck an arrow, it also educated me to sight it in before season not in the summer and some one (dads ex wife ) slides the pins around and you didn't know about it, shot about 3 foot above that does back. Long story short dads now ex wife stole when they got divorced.

Same thing for high speed compounds when shooting down from an elevated position or up from a lower position. You have to bend at the waist to make the angle. You’ll shoot high if you drop the bow arm to make the angle when shooting down. If you raise the bow arm to make the angle when shooting up, you’ll shoot low.

Ok I'm assuming your meaning like bend over fowards or backwards at the waist to line up the sights when your saying bend at the waist. Just didn't know if it had as much of an affect on the newer faster stuff as it did the slower stuff

You’re changing your form if you drop or raise your bow arm to make the angle. Speed of the bow is irrelevant. You change your form, your poi changes.

I'm not trying to start anything here, I realize almost everyone on here has more experience than I do with a bow, but … isn't telling someone "don't forget to bend at the waist" kind of pointless? The arrow does not know or care what position your body is in. The only thing that matters is having proper alignment between your eye, the peep, the pin, and the target. Couldn't you be tied in a pretzel and still hit your target if all those things are properly aligned. So what I'm saying is, if your target is far enough below your normal line of sight, your body will automatically move and bend as necessary in order to achieve proper alignment of those four things. If you can align those four things without bending at the waist, the arrow does not know or care, it will simply follow the path of alignment at the point of release. If you fail to achieve proper alignment, you will miss your target, bend or no bend. What about when you might have to contort your body, lean one way or another, get up on your tip toes, etc. in order to get around a tree or a limb or something. Anybody ever shot from one leg with their other leg wrapped around the tree (I haven't but I'm not prepared to say I wouldn't at this moment if that's what it took and if I felt safe enough doing it). Doesn't it all come down to alignment and what ever is required to achieve that?

If you drop your bow arm any to make the angle, you will shoot high. It changes your eye alignment with your peep and is just like moving the peep up the string. I always draw level and anchor, then I bend at the waist to make the angle.

It is all about the alignment that’s why you need to bend at the waist to get the proper alignment. Same goes for squaring up with your target. If your stance is to open or to closed then you’ll shoot left or right.

you need to quit talking and listen to folks that have a LOT more experience than you ever will.

You Sir are correct. That's one reason people shoot over the really close shots. It can be tricky to bend enough so the lower bow limb doesn't touch your legs or hit your stand. Shooting a can't miss deer right under you can give folks a humbling experience.

Now this wouldn't apply to crowbow hunters since the the geometry of the sights is completely different correct? It makes since to bend with a compound bow or other traditional bows it keeps the geometry of the pin-peep-eye correct

Crossbow would be like a rifle, so no.

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I've shot a bow my entire life and killed lots of deer and even 3 elk with a bow. The main thing in being able to hit your target is repeatability. It's a lot easier to keep your shooting form if you bend at the waist. You are correct, the arrow doesn't know. If your eye, peep, pin and target are aligned, you will hit your target, assuming your bow is sighted in. I think the challenge is when you can see your pin and target through the peep, you naturally think your eye is aligned, when it may not be when you've dropped your arm to shoot. With hunting peeps having larger openings, what I think is happening when you drop your bow arm is that you are looking through the top part of the peep (even though it seems like you are looking though the middle) and you can still see your pin and target. However, when you draw your bow, anchor, and then bend at the waist, you are looking though the center part of the peep, which is how you practice and how your bow is sighted in.

All you have to do is practice shooting from an elevated stand to see what kind of a difference it makes. I've shot deer while sitting down in my treestand, but I always aim low (heart area) to compensate. I sometimes tend to overthink things, but this is what makes sense in my mind.