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Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
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07/30/18 02:19 PM
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First, I did a search and couldn't find where this topic had really been discussed, at least not recently, so forgive me if this has been beaten to death and I somehow missed it.......So, for a multi-purpose, fishing/hunting flat bottom boat somewhere in the 16' range, which is better and why?
I've heard riveted boats can be a little leaky, but also hear horror stories about cracked/split welds on welded boats. A small bilge pump or 2 seems like it'd be a lot cheaper than having someone repair welds... So, what are the pro's/con's of each?
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
[Re: GomerPyle]
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I had a 16ft Alweld with a long tail mud motor on it. I beat that thing against plenty of stumps, various bottoms in shallow water and generally the roughest nastiest crap around. Not once did it leak. The sob was heavy though, real heavy.
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
[Re: GomerPyle]
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I've had a 16ft Lowe semi-v john boat since 1993 that I've done a ton of hunting and fishing out of. So far the only rivets I've had to tighten up were at the top of the middle seat on both sides of the seat.
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
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If you're going for a straight up old timey OD green Jon boat, with no floor in it, I don't see a reason not to get a riveted boat. They've been around a long time and hold up fine. If you're getting something with a slick floor then go for welded. It would be harder to fix rivets in a floored boat.
You'll have a good bit less invested in a riveted boat as well.
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
[Re: GomerPyle]
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07/30/18 08:24 PM
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I have a 2007 tracker grizzly all welded flat bottom . I've beat the heck out of that boat and it's still in good shape. pop rivets suck they will eventually start leaking guaranteed!
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
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07/30/18 08:31 PM
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Never had a riveted boat that didnt leak..never had a welded boat that did.
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
[Re: GomerPyle]
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07/31/18 10:41 AM
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Aluminum boats don't last forever. So keep that in mind. A lot of it has to do with how much you intend to use it. I used to build barges and crew boats that got hard use and all were welded and made from .125 or thicker. Welded boats get heavy and with weight comes stress and eventually the welds begin to crack. That being said they are longer lasting and more durable than a riveted boat. There is no question about that. On a recreational boat when they start to develop leaks you might be into removing nice carpeted seats, floors, etc. so you can get to cracked welds etc. Welding from the outside can work but if you grind the weld down slick you might be back in for another repair. What you DO NOT want is a 3 piece welded boat where the sides are welded to the floor. You are going to have problems with that simply because the entire length of the boat is a seam that is a potential point of failure. You are going to want a 1 piece boat with the sides bent up to make the shape of the hull.
Riveted boats are less durable and develop leaks typically around the rivets. They are less prone to stress cracks because they're typically all 1 piece and do not have as many welded seams. Therefore your typical repairs are going to be just simple rivets. The newer and more substantial boats are typically made of .070 and flex more, not as solid, etc. Older boats or ones from those suitable for farm ponds can be even less thick. I would stick with something between .070 and .080 for durability. I would not go much thinner when you start getting real thin those boats are really geared towards a farm pond.
So what does that mean?
If you are getting a basic open floor plan jon boat I think the decision is up to you. As long as you can get to the rivets there is nothing wrong with a riveted boat. If you want some more creature comforts such as a floor over the ribs I think you are likely going to want a welded boat. But either way I think you should look at the construction and if there are things like a floor over the ribs in the interior see if it is screwed down or welded down. If you plan to keep it indefinitely think about repairs. Either can last 40 years with recreational use just don't go into this thinking you'll never have to repair anything. Fiberglass boats need repairs too.
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
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07/31/18 11:01 AM
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Aluminum boats don't last forever. So keep that in mind. A lot of it has to do with how much you intend to use it. I used to build barges and crew boats that got hard use and all were welded and made from .125 or thicker. Welded boats get heavy and with weight comes stress and eventually the welds begin to crack. That being said they are longer lasting and more durable than a riveted boat. There is no question about that. On a recreational boat when they start to develop leaks you might be into removing nice carpeted seats, floors, etc. so you can get to cracked welds etc. Welding from the outside can work but if you grind the weld down slick you might be back in for another repair. What you DO NOT want is a 3 piece welded boat where the sides are welded to the floor. You are going to have problems with that simply because the entire length of the boat is a seam that is a potential point of failure. You are going to want a 1 piece boat with the sides bent up to make the shape of the hull.
Riveted boats are less durable and develop leaks typically around the rivets. They are less prone to stress cracks because they're typically all 1 piece and do not have as many welded seams. Therefore your typical repairs are going to be just simple rivets. The newer and more substantial boats are typically made of .080 and flex more, not as solid, etc. Older boats or ones from those suitable for farm ponds can be even less thick. I would stick with something between .072 and .080 for durability.
So what does that mean?
If you are getting a basic open floor plan jon boat I think the decision is up to you. As long as you can get to the rivets there is nothing wrong with a riveted boat. If you want some more creature comforts such as a floor over the ribs I think you are likely going to want a welded boat. But either way I think you should look at the construction and if there are things like a floor over the ribs in the interior see if it is screwed down or welded down. If you plan to keep it indefinitely think about repairs. Either can last 40 years with recreational use just don't go into this thinking you'll never have to repair anything. Fiberglass boats need repairs too. Good info....you mention 3-piece welded boats vs 1-piece boats...can you give examples of some of the more common brands/models that are 1 vs 3 piece? My intended use is mostly fishing with the kids and possibly some hunting. I'm not planning on big water - mostly the lakes around tuscaloosa and the Warrior River, in calm weather. A 48" width is a bare minimum I'll even consider, preferably wider. I'd like at least 16', but I wouldn't turn down a 1448 if I found a good deal on one with the understanding I'd have to upgrade to a bigger one once the kids get bigger. Whatever I get, I want it to be all-aluminum...no wood/carpet, and as far as flooring, I wouldn't plan on permanent flooring - I might put a rubber mat between the ribs for comfort, but nothing permanent. Otherwise, it'll just be an open boat, so accessing rivets wouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
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Go with either V-hull or Semi-V flat bottoms just will not handle the waves. I would prefer a semi/mod-v (mostly just because I like the look better, if I'm honest), but a true flat-bottom with a square bow is not a deal-breaker. I've ridden in plenty of them, including on the actual bodies of water and conditions where I'll mostly be using it and the ride is fine.
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
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I wouldn't worry about it and just look for a great deal. I've owned both. My riveted boats never leaked more than a quart a day which you would never even notice. That's kinda the direction I'm leaning....looking for the size hull I want and a decent motor, more than how the hull is constructed (as long as it's in decent shape).
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: Jon Boats: Riveted vs Welded
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07/31/18 02:30 PM
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I wouldn't worry about it and just look for a great deal. I've owned both. My riveted boats never leaked more than a quart a day which you would never even notice. That's kinda the direction I'm leaning....looking for the size hull I want and a decent motor, more than how the hull is constructed (as long as it's in decent shape). My bass tracker leaks some I just flip the bilge pump on a couple times a trip
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