Don't put your hands on people.

Well the man had no right putting his hands on that man. He had not touched a soul. You assault me and you might get shot too. People are crazy these days so it’s better to walk away. The only fighting done now days is in the rings because people tote guns and knives and don’t think twice about using them.

Agree Don’t put your hands on people. Walk away.

Well James you’re right the part I wanted everybody to read was included in the link for some reason.
The guy interviewed said the shooter threatened to kill him for parking a company vehicle there and that he was cruising the parking lot checking vehicles to see if they were parking in the handicap zone without a permit. This idiot called the mans workplace and told them he was going to kill him

Hmmm

Damn.

Here's a link to the story that has the witness that said the shooter threatened to shoot him too....

https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-...to-deadly-clearwater-shooting/1312474223

Since when is 47 yo an old man? Wasn’t necessary to pull the trigger.

If he did or didn't it is irrelevant to this situation. Guy pushed him down and Florida law says the shooting was justified.

I don’t feel too sorry for the guy that got shot since he’s one of these that park in handicap spaces, plus he initiated the violence.

However in my opinion the shooter is guilty of some sort of crime, not sure if it’s manslaughter, murder or what. The guy was retreating and did not pose a threat to his life at the moment he was shot.

Apart from anything legal, I don’t have much respect for the shooter. He decided he was Mr In Charge and was going to argue with a woman in public who he didn’t know. Then when he got his ass handed to him he simply got pissed off and shot the guy. If you’re gonna start chit in public with someone’s wife be able to handle yourself. The majority of people on this forum would do something similar as the guy who got shot if they walked out of a store and saw some unknown man jawing at their wife.

Now everybody needs to ask themselves an honest question, did the fact that they identified the race of the parties involved play into your decision? That is a question that I often had to answer when investigating cases and in order to do so I had to articulate what other evidence was there to show that my decision wasn't based on racial bias. Reverse the situation and see if you still have the same outcome. If you don't you have a problem with your investigation and you don't want to end up looking like Mark Fuhrman did in the OJ case.

Personally, in this case the Sheriff did the smart thing by passing the buck. I think in the end they will end up charging him with Manslaughter. A lot will depend on what we can't hear and witness testimony about what was said.

Ok, say he didn't shoot. Can he then be charged with menacing for pulling the gun?

Anyone carrying, should not go around and getting into confrontations. It will end badly.

Everyone of you would have the opposite opinion if the shooter was black and the dead guy was white. You would be saying that damn thug couldn’t take an ass beating and pulled a gun. All you guys talk about beating someone’s ass for things they do. Does that mean you need to be shot because you tried to teach someone a lesson?

By the way, the sheriff not charging him doesn’t mean the DA will not charge him.

Young dude was absolutely out of bounds when he touched older dude, regardless of what was said or age of older dude. YD was not outside long enough to communicate, just to react.

I'm old and getting older. While I may still be able to whup some azz, I would feel it for days, maybe weeks.

If you don't like what I said, then say something. We can have a conversation. If you put your hands on me, I'm gonna make a hole in you.

May be with a blade (always have at least one), may be with a shooter (usually have at least one), but you're getting a new exit hole. I'm too old to take an azz whuppin, but still too young to die.



Young dude's attitude got him shot.

Wait..you totally lost me now.

The guy that shot was physically attacked and youre saying he was wrong in using force. (which I believe he was, just producing the firearm produced the desired effect...the guy killed did seem to back away).

But NOW, you are saying that I could get shot for saying " Hey, if you arent handicapped you shouldnt park there, there are people who really need that spot."???

And that then, even with no force used or implied, some dude can shoot me and say he felt threatened??? From what, my freaking words?

Youve entered the nonsensical zone now! "stand my ground" doesnt include people telling me I was wrong. It covers fear of imminent injury or death. Not hurt feelings. Just saying.

By the way, I dont believe the guy needed to shoot, nor should have shot. But I also believe the other guy did not need to blind side him.

However the law in "Stand my ground" allows it if "you fear you are in imminent danger for your life". Obviously the shooter told the police something that said he felt he was.

We dont know what the other guy said. He could have said "MFer, Ill take that gun away and kill you with it." If that was the case the shooter could have felt in danger.

I dont deal with "could've been, should have been, would have been". Im not an idealist. Im a pragmatic REALIST.

I try to stay in the reality zone. I was taught early, there is "the way it should be, the way you want it to be, and the WAY IT IS!"

Life is much easier from the "Way it is" reality zone I have found.

The Florida law allows for the use of deadly force if you were in fear for your life.

It is the same thing in the Zimmerman/Trevon Martin case. HE "FELT" in danger of his life ( head impacting concrete often does that in REALITY to 99.9% of people) so he used deadly force.

This older guy must have felt the same..

Casey,(foldemup) ...By the way..he must be handicapped or something as he is hunched back, moves slowly, and chance are has a handicapped plate...hence his anger at everyone parking there and him constantly having to walk I would venture to guess.

Im over 10 years older then this guy and I move way better., so Im thinking handicapped.

If youre a handicapped guy..you are not fighting ANYONE.

I know a lot of handicapped guys. You physically assault them and they will protect themselves the ONLY WAY THEY CAN, with a firearm.

By the way JAMES, I agree...a pussy move.

Im way older then that guy and I would have taken my chances in a fight even though I carry 100% of the time. But if the shooter is handicapped...nah. That wont cut the dang mustard.

REALITY time. Youre a handicapped dude lying on the ground and you might feel you need to at least be able to stand up before the boots and the pain train come. Hence, he might have felt in danger for his life.

Just like I know to expect that REALISTICALLY most guys these days in a physically confrontation will pull a weapon. It is reality. It has been that way for a while sadly. By the way, no one loved a good ole fight more then I used to.

It is not that way any more.

By the way, you must have missed my point. I felt the guy didnt need to shoot, but if he felt threatened with imminent harm, according to FL law he had the right to defend himself.

Well we dont know what was said but if that guy was cussing my wife n kids id hit him

Doekiller

Is there a difference between the Fla and Al. “stand your ground” law? Also, is there a chance the DA will overturn the PD decision not to charge?

There was plenty of parking for everyone. Pick your battles wisely.

if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops .


no charges for the shooter .

In this day and age just pointing a gun at another person is considered assault. This is why I subscribe to the idea of don’t pull a gun until it’s time to shoot it. If the gun needed to come out it needed to be fired