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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2428924
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So are they going to read this crazy thing or not? And vote

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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: ] #2428936
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Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
My opinion is this,..if someone wants to use corn..let him. It is no silver bullet to kill deer believe me. We use corn in KY but we sure didnt kill any big bucks eating it. Im sure some folks do..good for them.

I dont give a flying EFF what other people do. If it is legal then good luck.

Just because you dont agree with it, or do it ...well thats your opinion.

But dont FORCE your standards on others because you dont like it. Thats what liberals do....IMO.



I hope you are not serious about that statement. I happen to believe that stealing is wrong. Others may call it justified because they don't have anything or because 'everyone else does it.' I happen to believe shooting up heroin is wrong, some don't. I believe hunting at night is wrong, some don't. Some people think it is OK to have an unsafe workplace so long as you are making money. Others may disagree. Just because you don't agree that something is wrong doesn't mean that it should be legal. If we all got to decide what we thought was legal just by our own opinions, it would be chaos.

Laws are made for the greater good of ALL. The questions we should be asking are - is baiting good for hunting or otherwise good for a healthy deer population or for the good of the most people? My answer to those questions are (1) maybe if the benefits (arguable) of baiting make people enjoy hunting more outweigh the negative publicity of hunting over bait, (2) no - baiting will not improve the deer population, and (3) baiting is good for people who sell bait and bait dispensing devices, so maybe it's good for the economy, but does it take away from the part of the hunting economy devoted to planting, improving existing habitat, native browse, etc?

That's two maybes and a no. Equals a no to me.

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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2428942
03/08/18 05:20 PM
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Round ‘bout there

I wonder if a county could prohibit any kind of baiting, hunting with bait, supplemental feeding or any other kind of thing like that (minerals, use of urine) similar to how Randolph County voted to ban dog deer hunting.

That was back, I think, in the early 1980s. The residents got it put on the ballot and then voted on it.

Loss of money from sales of "Deer Corn" or other products probably wouldn't go over well, though.


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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2428945
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Unless Supplemental Feeding is made illegal by Law or an Emergency decree by the DCNR; Baiting will be legal.

Just the way it is.

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2428978
03/08/18 06:34 PM
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Maybe they will get to it next Tuesday.

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2429018
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Neither high fence nor baiting bothers me where it is legal. I don’t plan on hunting in a fence and if baiting is legalized it will do me zero good with the bear population around here.


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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: ALFisher] #2429069
03/08/18 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ALFisher
Originally Posted by outdoorobsession
My opinion is this,..if someone wants to use corn..let him. It is no silver bullet to kill deer believe me. We use corn in KY but we sure didnt kill any big bucks eating it. Im sure some folks do..good for them.

I dont give a flying EFF what other people do. If it is legal then good luck.

Just because you dont agree with it, or do it ...well thats your opinion.

But dont FORCE your standards on others because you dont like it. Thats what liberals do....IMO.



I hope you are not serious about that statement. I happen to believe that stealing is wrong. Others may call it justified because they don't have anything or because 'everyone else does it.' I happen to believe shooting up heroin is wrong, some don't. I believe hunting at night is wrong, some don't. Some people think it is OK to have an unsafe workplace so long as you are making money. Others may disagree. Just because you don't agree that something is wrong doesn't mean that it should be legal. If we all got to decide what we thought was legal just by our own opinions, it would be chaos.

Laws are made for the greater good of ALL. The questions we should be asking are - is baiting good for hunting or otherwise good for a healthy deer population or for the good of the most people? My answer to those questions are (1) maybe if the benefits (arguable) of baiting make people enjoy hunting more outweigh the negative publicity of hunting over bait, (2) no - baiting will not improve the deer population, and (3) baiting is good for people who sell bait and bait dispensing devices, so maybe it's good for the economy, but does it take away from the part of the hunting economy devoted to planting, improving existing habitat, native browse, etc?

That's two maybes and a no. Equals a no to me.


Im pretty sure I said IF ITS LEGAL.

I know first hand how it is from hunting KY. It can be a pain in the butt. And we did not see big bucks just coming into corn.

We dont use it here, my neighbors dont either. But if they make it legal and people want to use it..good luck. They are going to be pretty disappointed. They know its not natural and use it after dark.

However, the current law as it stands with supplemental feeding is too ambiguous .
Either make it LEGAL, or ILLEGAL but this halfway between either things is just not sound policy.

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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: pcamper] #2429078
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Originally Posted by pcamper
Originally Posted by exciteman
Yes please let it fail. I would love for us to go back to real "Fair Chase" laws. No Feeding!



I dont care one way or the other. It is amazing the people that are against it, WHY? If you dont like it, dont agree with it, Dont Do it, dont buy the bait license. Hunt strict “Fair Chase”.. Nothing changes for you. Why would you care if someone throws corn? If your such a naturalist, why aren’t you standing up against the high fence deer hunting?



Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner! We had feeding allowed for years while in Georgia. Our club elected not to and saw no different in our harvest rate. Our folks chose to hunt over corn or other feed and it did not bother us. Just do not understand why some people are so against it. Their most VALID reason is; "I do not want to." Well okay don't but if made legal stop worrying so much about how others are hunting. I no longer hunt with a bow but have no problems with those that do. Same with dog hunting or folks that just enjoy small game hunting or ....... Why get so upset about others are hunting?

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: BREEZE1] #2429083
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Originally Posted by BREEZE1
Its not hard to find people against high fence hunting. With the fence all you gotta do is stay out of it. With corn it will change the movement of the deer and if you don't feed at all on your property then your neighbor is going to suck a good bit from you. So basically if it passes then everyone is effected.


Sorry this is just not a valid or true statement. Just check with some folks who have hunted in areas that allowed feeding and you will find that it has not proven to be a problem.

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2429084
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just buy more corn than your neighbor...... and you'll be good to go

I live where baiting is legal..... your neighbor can own 5 acres and put out 50 bags of corn and slaughter the deer when typically they wouldn't have much luck.
Mature bucks come to corn early bow season. Mature bucks follow doe to corn during the rut.
Where I live deer prefer corn to food plots.
A cellular trail camera and a corn pile is absolutely lethal. Pour out 10 bags in a 30x30 area. Hang stand 25 yards away for the predominate wind. Hang camera. Don't step foot into the tree unless the buck comes in daylight and conditions are perfect. You'll kill him

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2429099
03/08/18 08:23 PM
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I do not agree with all of the ‘extra’ time that bow hunters get.

Nor do I like the fact that Public Land has far more time alocated for bow hunting than for all other types combined.

So what?

And those are things that DO directly affect me and utilize my Tax dollars to provide.

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2429118
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Bow hunters kill a tiny fraction of the deer harvested. It's a way to have open hunting without decimating the population with guns. Plus anybody can get a bow and go if they'd like

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: HHSyelper] #2429331
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Originally Posted by HHSyelper
So are they going to read this crazy thing or not? And vote



I dont think those bastards can read........


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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: Gobl4me] #2429377
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Originally Posted by Gobl4me
Bow hunters kill a tiny fraction of the deer harvested. It's a way to have open hunting without decimating the population with guns. Plus anybody can get a bow and go if they'd like


And, in turn, if people do not care to supplemental feed, or bait, on their property; they do not have to.

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2429623
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Rumor is the bill is pretty much dead. Biologist lobbied against it and got the votes knocked down...



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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: teamduckdown] #2429625
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So when will they meet again?

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Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: James] #2429630
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Originally Posted by James
Rumor is the bill is pretty much dead. Biologist lobbied against it and got the votes knocked down...


I heard the same.

But, I still have not heard an Official word on that.
Nor have I heard any Official Statement from the DCNR dissuading (much less banning) Supplemental Feeding.

Evidently, prions somehow know the difference??

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By they time they pass legislation with no limits for baiting, corn will be so high nobody will be able to hunt over it they will have to eat it.

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Originally Posted by HHSyelper
So when will they meet again?



The next session is Tuesday

Re: Rumor coming thru.. (Baiting Bill) [Re: James] #2429890
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Originally Posted by James
Rumor is the bill is pretty much dead. Biologist lobbied against it and got the votes knocked down...


Why and what is their argument??

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